jay170788 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Farsight 8 is a cancer upon 40k. I hope you roll 'Vortex' in your game and land it on that unit. Perhaps you should re-read the supplement and not comment on topics beyond your knowledge base? Farsight 8 is extremely sub-par. Barring farsight and O'vesa and the broadside guy most others have contradicting weapons load outs with having a plasma rifle and a flamer for instance. Farsight bomb is brutal, Farsight 8 is really not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3881589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ah wait, you're right I'm confusing the two. Farsight Bomb is what I hate, I forgot there was that Encalve variant list with named character suits. My apologies. Roll 'Vortex' and land it on Farsight Bomb, should you fight that ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3881873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ah wait, you're right I'm confusing the two. Farsight Bomb is what I hate, I forgot there was that Encalve variant list with named character suits. My apologies. Roll 'Vortex' and land it on Farsight Bomb, should you fight that ;) Ever think about blowing 50pts on the Ace upgrade to a Stromraven just to get a guaranteed Vortex? I know I do. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3881988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ever think about blowing 50pts on the Ace upgrade to a Stromraven just to get a guaranteed Vortex? I know I do. Begone, DFtS! You shall not tempt me with your false promises! Back, demon! :P It's a 1/3 chance btw. And I don't know if you can use the older rules, as the new Leviathan campaign book has updated Flyer Ace rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Begone, DFtS! You shall not tempt me with your false promises! Back, demon! :P It's a 1/3 chance btw. And I don't know if you can use the older rules, as the new Leviathan campaign book has updated Flyer Ace rules. Plus, our SR doesn't have the psychic flyer rule anymore, so idk if that would work... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Begone, DFtS! You shall not tempt me with your false promises! Back, demon! :P It's a 1/3 chance btw. And I don't know if you can use the older rules, as the new Leviathan campaign book has updated Flyer Ace rules. Plus, our SR doesn't have the psychic flyer rule anymore, so idk if that would work... Well, DFtS still has an active FAQ, and one of the possible benefits a GK Ace could receive does grant a PML upgrade. It's still way overpriced, but it's there. Just Say'n. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ok cool. Agreed tho, 50 is STEEP for only a chance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 It is indeed steep. But we ready pay half that for our dreadnoughts with no chance of a cool destructive power :'( Tis why I have 4 unused under my bed haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Loss of psybolt ammo marked the death of our most useful dread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 GW made a huge mistake giving Librarian Dreads to Blood Angels and not Grey Knights. Huge! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Don't know why we can't just share! Sharing is caring haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3882600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 So, we played the game today. Things went... ok. We wound up playing down the length of the table, and I won the first turn. I deployed Draigo and ten Termies, the two Dreadknights, and reserved the Librarian and his ten Terminators. First turn, I shunted both Dreadknights and Draigo's termies up into the Riptide's grill. I deepstruck the Librarian and his termies behind the Tau lines, out of sight of the Riptide to avoid an interceptor shot. In hindsight, a bit of a mistake. Draigo and his termies open up on the Riptide, shooting off it's drones. The two Dreadknights open up with their psycannon, and do nothing. Then, I fire my gatling psilencer. One wound goes through. I say to him "It's instant death, so don't roll a 1". He rolls a 1. I laugh mightily. If he hadn't rolled that one, I basically would have been hoping for a bad scatter from that S9 pie plate, because my Termies were all bunched up right in front of him. As it was, it freed up both of my Dreadknights and Draigo's unit to hunt across the board. The Librarian and his unit popped one suit with shooting, another with a Vortex of Doom (yes, I went with Sanctic. Yes, I know Divination is a better discipline. I think Sanctic is a bit more thematic. On a side note, even with 5 powers, I STILL couldn't get Gate on the Librarian. Geez.) before they were gunned down in the third turn by focused suit fire. By my fifth turn, the Dreadknights had hunted down every suit bar one, and Draigo and his unit had cleared the few units of infantry off the board. I had lost my Librarian and ten Terminators, and my opponent called the game at that point. It was such a one-sided drubbing that I almost felt bad. Well, not quite since last time I played this guy with the Eight, he tabled me (with the old codex) and doubly not quite since if I hadn't popped the Riptide with a lucky gatling psilencer shot, it could have been a very different game. I think I was still in a commanding position, and with two Dreadknights staring him down the Riptide would have only lasted one turn more, but I would have had to work a bit harder for it I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (yes, I went with Sanctic. Yes, I know Divination is a better discipline. I think Sanctic is a bit more thematic. On a side note, even with 5 powers, I STILL couldn't get Gate on the Librarian. Geez.) I warned you about narrative, bro. I told you! :P Yeah I think you did luck out with the one psilencer shot (to say the least). My personal feeling is Riptides aren't worth shooting at. You are extremely unlikely to kill them in one go, short of a Grav-Centurion Deathstar (who due to Stims might not even succeed either). However, in melee, you one-shot them pretty reliably with DK's or even the squad hammer (provided 'Force' is on). I think its far better to dump firepower, especially gatling psilencer, into Broadsides or Crisis. T4 means you'll generate a lot more wounds, and they're bound to fail a few saves under sustained fire (even one dead suit is one more you don't have to kill later). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Eh. Sometimes you have to roll a hard six. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Then, I fire my gatling psilencer. One wound goes through. I say to him "It's instant death, so don't roll a 1". He rolls a 1. I laugh mightily. Wut! And thats why people have a healthy fear of those things brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How did you "Shunt" Draigo? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 (yes, I went with Sanctic. Yes, I know Divination is a better discipline. I think Sanctic is a bit more thematic. On a side note, even with 5 powers, I STILL couldn't get Gate on the Librarian. Geez.)I warned you about narrative, bro. I told you! Yeah I think you did luck out with the one psilencer shot (to say the least). My personal feeling is Riptides aren't worth shooting at. You are extremely unlikely to kill them in one go, short of a Grav-Centurion Deathstar (who due to Stims might not even succeed either). However, in melee, you one-shot them pretty reliably with DK's or even the squad hammer (provided 'Force' is on). I think its far better to dump firepower, especially gatling psilencer, into Broadsides or Crisis. T4 means you'll generate a lot more wounds, and they're bound to fail a few saves under sustained fire (even one dead suit is one more you don't have to kill later). Due to his deployment, I wasn't in a position to shoot at the other suits on turn one, and then charge the riptide in turn two. I had to get as close as possible to that sucker to mitigate his 6" move, 6" jet pack, which put me out of range of most other targets. How did you "Shunt" Draigo? SJ Gate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Due to his deployment, I wasn't in a position to shoot at the other suits on turn one, and then charge the riptide in turn two. I had to get as close as possible to that sucker to mitigate his 6" move, 6" jet pack, which put me out of range of most other targets. Jet pack moves are 2d6", just clarifying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3884823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Huh, did they use to be 6"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3885034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Huh, did they use to be 6"? A whiiile ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3885244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yeah back in 4th and 5th. I think 6th changed them to 2D6". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300051-help-against-tau/page/2/#findComment-3886499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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