L30n1d4s Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I am sure you have heard the rumors about possible Death Company Terminators. If this does pan out, they should be quite interesting. On that note, what do you think their rules/wargear will be like? If they have all the same rules as current Death Company (Furious Charge, FNP, Fearless) they should be pretty interesting, especially if they can take a variety of close combat weapons (i.e. options beyond the normal Dual LCs or TH/SS loadout). Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Probably not happening given that pictures have been leaking of new terminators and there's nothing DC about them. Thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Just posted some bigger pics here. Def no DC about them. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297608-ba-codex-rumors/?p=3880906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 True, but you never know, they could appear in a supplement or later. This wouldn't be the first time GW released rules but no models in the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Chapterhouse killed that practice stone dead. It's why 'nids, Eldar and their dark cousins all lost entries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Did wolves get any new models after their codex release? I can't seem to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Logan Grimnar and his sled where released after the codex in the SW release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 GW are purging all entries without models for legal reasons. It's why the GK have only 3 special ICs and why Thawn and Mordrak were removed (and why GM is an upgrade), and why the BA will not get any new units that do not have a model. Fortunately every IC in the BA codex as a model so you wont lose anything at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 GW are purging all entries without models for legal reasons. What are the legal reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 GW are purging all entries without models for legal reasons. What are the legal reasons? The long of the short of it is third party companies (chapter house etc.) could make models for units that don't have an existing model such as the doom, spore pods etc. With that lets keep it on topic shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_ Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Surely having death company in terminator armour just ruins the point. Terminator armour is usually given to the chapter's best, to survive and fight muchc longer, and the death company are meant to die in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Surely having death company in terminator armour just ruins the point. Terminator armour is usually given to the chapter's best, to survive and fight muchc longer, and the death company are meant to die in battle. Assuming this whole rumour isn't just bottom gas.... Recovering Terminator armour after (and sometime during) battle is a standard practice for all chapters. Because the suits are so heavily built they are generally going to be in reasonable shape even after the squishy innards have been shredded, much like with a tank crew. If we imagine this hypothetical Death company terminator unit typically being used as the vanguard for a massive assault, one where the chapter could recover the downed suits after, it's really not that crazy of an idea. It's probably not much more crazy than sending them into space hulks (making recovery potentially much harder) or using regular terminators to do the kind of do or die high risk job they excel at. Basically what I'm saying is sending terminators on suicidal missions is already common practice for most chapters, sending the guy's that want to die anyway would kind of make sense under certain circumstances. They wouldn't be for everyday but then neither are sanguard etc. Is it really more of a risk of assets than a death company dread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I don't really get why everyone's so squirrely about DC terminators. If you desperately need black terminators, there's plenty of chapters that have a paint scheme to fit that desire. Sorry I just don't see it. Snorri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I don't really get why everyone's so squirrely about DC terminators. If you desperately need black terminators, there's plenty of chapters that have a paint scheme to fit that desire. Sorry I just don't see it. Snorri I don't think its about the colour mate It's about having a homocidal berzerker charging forward into a glorious slaughter in the name of primarch and emperor in the best and biggest armour and wepons he can be equipped with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMark Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Indeed, Red Butchers say 'Hi'. Anyways, based on the leaks thus far I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I don't really get why everyone's so squirrely about DC terminators. If you desperately need black terminators, there's plenty of chapters that have a paint scheme to fit that desire. Sorry I just don't see it. Snorri I don't think its about the colour mate It's about having a homocidal berzerker charging forward into a glorious slaughter in the name of primarch and emperor in the best and biggest armour and wepons he can be equipped with! That's exactly why they wouldn't be given Terminator armour. Think about what Terminator armour is in 40k fuff; it's rare, revered and generally reserved for very specific tasks. You do not hand over a priceless relic to a madman whose purpose is to fight until he dies, usually by facing the toughest targets the enemy has. Even though attempts to reclaim the armour would be made, the chance to collect it would not be anywhere near guaranteed and it may well be beyond repair by the time it is found, it takes a lot to kill members of the Death Company after all. Blood Angels would value what Terminator armour remains perhaps more than other chapters given that they basically lost the first company before. The only justification for a marine suffering from the Black Rage to be in Terminator armour is if he succumbed during battle. Thankfully it looks like there's no danger of these 'rumours' (read: wishlisting) coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Is it really more of a risk of assets than a death company dread? The difference there is that a DC Dreadnought was already a dreadnought when the pilot fell to the black rage. So they just paint his dreadnought chassis black and let him die in battle It makes no sense to put DC in Terminator armour, as each suit is a relic and putting the in the hands of DC could risk the suits destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 If the fate of Baal hinged on it, I'm sure they would put DC in TDA. In the meantime, shouldn't a veteran DC have one more attack than a DC marine from another company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Is it really more of a risk of assets than a death company dread? The difference there is that a DC Dreadnought was already a dreadnought when the pilot fell to the black rage. So they just paint his dreadnought chassis black and let him die in battle It makes no sense to put DC in Terminator armour, as each suit is a relic and putting the in the hands of DC could risk the suits destruction You still have a knackered dreadnaught chassis to recover and repair and dreads are even rarer than terminator suits. Presumaby they would be saved for "special occasions" as a result but that's exactly what I'm suggesting re:death co termies. I get what you are saying (that you are stuck with a death dread but actually have to choose to use termies) but now and again it might be a worthwhile move i.e. you are sending termies on a vital suicidal mission anyway, you have death company chaps who up for the job and were already expecting to loose the termies etc. etc. Last stands are far from without prescident and under any such circumstances death co termies could be a boon to efficient use of resources not a drain. In a game where someone as reclusive and exclusive as Mephiston can appear in any army they wouldn't seen at all out of place to me either. Realistically though I just want something new and fancy from this release, so far it's been nothing I haven't kitbashed already (though I appreciate the convenience for future purchases) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Surely having death company in terminator armour just ruins the point. Terminator armour is usually given to the chapter's best, to survive and fight muchc longer, and the death company are meant to die in battle.So are dreadnoughts, yet they have a DC variant. You cant stop the onset of the Rage when you're wearing terminator armour, so there should be few, even if they go all Lone Wolfy because of how rare TDA is. Is it really more of a risk of assets than a death company dread? The difference there is that a DC Dreadnought was already a dreadnought when the pilot fell to the black rage. So they just paint his dreadnought chassis black and let him die in battle It makes no sense to put DC in Terminator armour, as each suit is a relic and putting the in the hands of DC could risk the suits destruction You dont put DC in TDA, they are in TDA when they succumbed, similar to the DCD. Though they still stand proud, the Blood Angels are far from untouched by the creeping degeneration that afflicts their successors. The Chapter must work harder and harder to maintain its fighting strength, for new recruits are lost just as frequently to the Black Rage as are veterans. Meanwhile, more battle-brothers than ever are choosing glorious death over ignominious madness, their reckless sacrifices leaving those who remain spread thinner still. Worse is the intensifying of the Black Rage itself. Once the Chapter would lose perhaps a handful of battle-brothers to this phenomenon in any given campaign. Now it is not unheard of for whole formations to plunge into madness, and the struggle to replace them becomes more pronounced with each fresh conflict the Blood Angels face.from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 You dont put DC in TDA, they are in TDA when they succumbed, similar to the DCD. An angle I hadn't considered that could make more sense now I think about it. You're thinking a DCT unit would be something you "saved up" in stasis for really bad days much like DCD right? Every so often someone goes all black rage in TDA and you lock him away with the others to wait. I think either could work (Chaplains can calm most long enough to suit up on the eve of battle I'm sure, they manage to keep them from rampaging before que and in the early stages Black rage is more delusional than psychotic anyway). But I like your thinking too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Every army seems to be getting better TDA. GK have Paladins, DA have Deathwing Knights. UM have... dare I say, Centurions! SW are all special and we could possibly get DCT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I keep seeing 'suicide mission' as a reason for dc terminators... the problem with that is if its that important a mission, how/why would you send a barely controlable bunch of madmen on it. Suicide, yes, but mission, no they'd most likely forget about it so fail in the single reason they're there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 All DC are on a suicide mission, every battle they are in can be deemed important otherwise the Space Marines won't be there, let alone a first founding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I keep seeing 'suicide mission' as a reason for dc terminators... the problem with that is if its that important a mission, how/why would you send a barely controlable bunch of madmen on it. Suicide, yes, but mission, no they'd most likely forget about it so fail in the single reason they're there at all. Mission could be: Dinobots: destroy Devastator. Death Company: Kill that hive fleet. It's a mission that they, or anyone else would probably die on. And the Death Company will have a damn good go at it. Other examples are: Space Hulk mission one. Bloodquests, the penitent mission Dante was on when the Sanguinor intervened to save them from the suicide mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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