SonOfThunder Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The list in the first post has razors listed for Tacs, ASM keep their jump packs. Also, the leaks list razors as FA, not HS, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The list in the first post has razors listed for Tacs, ASM keep their jump packs. Also, the leaks list razors as FA, not HS, don't they? Yes, Rhino, Razorback and Drop Pod as FA, Land Raiders as HS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 To be clear for anyone that missed it, you can't take Razorbacks as dedicated transports for ASM anymore (not even paid for). Morticon's list would work but only because he has no other Heavy support in there (only place to buy razors for ASM now). (Source is 2nd hand but given how many people have the actual book now it seems unlikely to be inaccurate) The same could be done now we can take 5 man tactical squads with a special or heavy weapon, but naturally you don't get the free razor which is half the reason people spammed them anyway right? (nor do they have objective secured unless you forgoe the whole +1 Initiative thing) Maybe I'm wrong but full tac squads in rhino's seems the main way forwards now troop wise, extra bodies seem like they will matter that bit more for contesting and securing (especially vs the standard FOC). Kindof feel like with a couple of other support vehicles (likely baal preds and maybe a vindicator) this approach could make a nice anvil to a jump/pod hammer? Then again if one were to go full mech +1 initiative isn't such a big deal and tactical razorspam might make some sense? (not that I really care I've always been jump pack heavy anyway) The cost of 5 ASM + Razor with Las/Plas or Assault Cannon in the 5th ed codex is exactly the same as 5 Tacticals + Razor with Las/Plas or Assault Cannon in the 7th ed codex. MSU Razors got stronger with the new codex as Tacticals>Walking ASM. However they could of done with a price drop, as Wave Serpents and Tau tend to vapourise them. MSU Razors may be something to come back to after Eldar and Tau have been re-done. People don't tend to take Razors now because of Wave Serpents. However if you don't play against Eldar you'll be fine with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Do you guys think it's better to put tacticals in rhinos or drop pod for general purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 For my first battle, I was going to let them hoof it. I'm keeping it simple for my first battle with the new codex. 500 points - Baal Strike Force detachment Priest w/JP - 75 pts TAC squad with Grav gun & Grav pistol - 100 pts SG - 165 pts Scout Squad with CC - 55 pts Assault squad, trade JP for Pod with 2 Meltas - 105 points Basic idea is to test out CC scouts, the Priest, and grav weapons (Grav weapons are a rarity in my meta, and will be the first time I use them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Do you guys think it's better to put tacticals in rhinos or drop pod for general purpose? really depends on the rest of the list. I intend to use Rhinos, for the simple reason that I own rhinos and don't own drop pods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender of the Faith Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Do you guys think it's better to put tacticals in rhinos or drop pod for general purpose? That's basically the issue I'm trying to figure out for my army at the moment. I really like the idea of having fast 24'' moving rhinos to grab objectives but I also ike deep striking a squad directly onto an objective while making use of the flame templates. The rhino on the other hand makes the squad more durable and they're likely to survive a bit longer. I really don't know what to take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiation Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So do dedicated transports take up a fast slot. If I want a rhino for my tac squad, does the rhino take up a fast slot. Also, assault squads can't take razorbacks as dedicated transports? What the hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So do dedicated transports take up a fast slot. If I want a rhino for my tac squad, does the rhino take up a fast slot. Also, assault squads can't take razorbacks as dedicated transports? What the hell. dedicated transports do not take up an additional slot. Rhinos/razorbacks/drop pods only take a slot when bought for units that can not take them as dedicated (such as terminators taking a drop pod or if you wanted your scouts to have a rhino) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiation Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks james, I figured that was how it worked, I just hadn't seen a new codex yet, until today. So, assaults have lost out on being troops as well as loosing razorbacks as dedicated transports. Lol. GG gw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Now that I have my talons on the codex here are my thoughts, with some friendly help, on a 1750 list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornoo1 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I expect that my list will look something like this (usually at the 1,500pt level) I dont have the book but this looks about right for 1500. any one able to price this up for me? Priest - JP Lib - level 2 - relic JP 15 DC JP and weapons - put in lib and priest deep strike 10man tac, heavy flamer, flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man tac, heavy flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man ass 2 melta 2 melta pistols pod x 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 1st list idea Dante-220 Corbulo-120 Tactical Squad 10 man flamer and hvy flamer Drop pod-190 Tactical Squad 10 man flamer and hvy flamer Drop pod-190 Tactical Squad 10 man flamer and hvy flamer Drop pod-190 15 DC 4 powerfists-300 Command Squad- Jump packs Power Weapon for Blood Champion-140 Predator-Lascannon sponsons and Lucifer engines-125 Predator-Lascannon sponsons and Lucifer engines-125 Land Raider Crusader-250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Corbulo with DC is nasty Corbulo on the Charge is WS6 S6 I7 5 attacks rending DC w/ corbulo on a charge are now WS5(Red Grail) S5(furious charge) 5 or 6 attacks EACH (2 base, 2 bc of rage, 1 charge, and 1 maybe for CC weapons) depending on how you equip them So many possibilities in the new codex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm totally going to run Mephiston with a squad of Hammernators and a priest all in a land raider redeemer. Mephy eats any 3+ saves and MCs while the hammernators LoS for him for AP2 hits and get +1 WS for the needed hits and FNP for bullet overloads. I am dubbing this now the MephStar.... So shall it be known, so shall it be named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I expect that my list will look something like this (usually at the 1,500pt level) I dont have the book but this looks about right for 1500. any one able to price this up for me? Priest - JP Lib - level 2 - relic JP 15 DC JP and weapons - put in lib and priest deep strike 10man tac, heavy flamer, flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man tac, heavy flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man ass 2 melta 2 melta pistols pod x 3 priest JP-75 Libby lvl 2 relic JP-115 15 DC w/ JP-345 10 man tac, hvy flmr, flmr, 2 hand flmr, pod 210 5 man tac hvy flmr, 2 hand flmr pod 135 5 man aslt 2 melta, 2 inferno pistol 510 1390 total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I expect that my list will look something like this (usually at the 1,500pt level) I dont have the book but this looks about right for 1500. any one able to price this up for me? Priest - JP Lib - level 2 - relic JP 15 DC JP and weapons - put in lib and priest deep strike 10man tac, heavy flamer, flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man tac, heavy flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man ass 2 melta 2 melta pistols pod x 3 priest JP-75Libby lvl 2 relic JP-115 15 DC w/ JP-345 10 man tac, hvy flmr, flmr, 2 hand flmr, pod 210 5 man tac hvy flmr, 2 hand flmr pod 135 5 man aslt 2 melta, 2 inferno pistol 510 1390 total How did the 5 man assualt squad become 510 points. I thought they got cheaper lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I expect that my list will look something like this (usually at the 1,500pt level) I dont have the book but this looks about right for 1500. any one able to price this up for me? Priest - JP Lib - level 2 - relic JP 15 DC JP and weapons - put in lib and priest deep strike 10man tac, heavy flamer, flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man tac, heavy flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man ass 2 melta 2 melta pistols pod x 3 priest JP-75Libby lvl 2 relic JP-115 15 DC w/ JP-345 10 man tac, hvy flmr, flmr, 2 hand flmr, pod 210 5 man tac hvy flmr, 2 hand flmr pod 135 5 man aslt 2 melta, 2 inferno pistol 510 1390 total How did the 5 man assualt squad become 510 points. I thought they got cheaper lol. 3 of the same, sorry i worded it poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Flamers of DOOM 1850 list i wanna roast my friend who plays foot IG 180-Captain-Artificer armour, Storm Shield, Jump Pack, Valours Edge 100-Sanguinary Priest- Jump pack Power fist 180-Sanguianry Guard- Death masks, power fist 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter Tactics: Deep strike Bling wings, Priest and Cap'n. Use this unit to assault and tie up important guard squads. Use 3 pods to start mowing down guard, Predators handle chimeras and basilisks. Clean up with remaining to pods. no more speeder just hand flamers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 You make Salamanders proud cry, well done brother, well done! Bring this to a Zone Mortalis Game where they all gain shred for Free and oh boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Flamers of DOOM 1850 list i wanna roast my friend who plays foot IG 180-Captain-Artificer armour, Storm Shield, Jump Pack, Valours Edge 100-Sanguinary Priest- Jump pack Power fist 180-Sanguianry Guard- Death masks, power fist 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter Tactics: Deep strike Bling wings, Priest and Cap'n. Use this unit to assault and tie up important guard squads. Use 3 pods to start mowing down guard, Predators handle chimeras and basilisks. Clean up with remaining to pods. no more speeder just hand flamers! He then surprises you and bring a steel host list with 12 leman russes. And a hydra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Flamers of DOOM 1850 list i wanna roast my friend who plays foot IG 180-Captain-Artificer armour, Storm Shield, Jump Pack, Valours Edge 100-Sanguinary Priest- Jump pack Power fist 180-Sanguianry Guard- Death masks, power fist 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter Tactics: Deep strike Bling wings, Priest and Cap'n. Use this unit to assault and tie up important guard squads. Use 3 pods to start mowing down guard, Predators handle chimeras and basilisks. Clean up with remaining to pods. no more speeder just hand flamers! Needz MOAR flamers. I suggest a kharibidyis drop pod that shoots out flames when it drops and switching everything that doesn't have a flamer to either a redeemer or some flame storm Baal predators. That is all. Flames for the flame go- I mean Vulka- err Sanguinius!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Flamers of DOOM 1850 list i wanna roast my friend who plays foot IG 180-Captain-Artificer armour, Storm Shield, Jump Pack, Valours Edge 100-Sanguinary Priest- Jump pack Power fist 180-Sanguianry Guard- Death masks, power fist 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 200-Tac squad 10 man flamer, Heavy flamer, hand flamer, Pod 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter 130 Predator Lascannon sponsons, Lucifer engines, storm bolter Tactics: Deep strike Bling wings, Priest and Cap'n. Use this unit to assault and tie up important guard squads. Use 3 pods to start mowing down guard, Predators handle chimeras and basilisks. Clean up with remaining to pods. no more speeder just hand flamers! He then surprises you and bring a steel host list with 12 leman russes. And a hydra. yeah i would not be prepared for that at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornoo1 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I expect that my list will look something like this (usually at the 1,500pt level) I dont have the book but this looks about right for 1500. any one able to price this up for me? Priest - JP Lib - level 2 - relic JP 15 DC JP and weapons - put in lib and priest deep strike 10man tac, heavy flamer, flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man tac, heavy flamer, 2 flamer pistols pod 5 man ass 2 melta 2 melta pistols pod x 3 priest JP-75 Libby lvl 2 relic JP-115 15 DC w/ JP-345 10 man tac, hvy flmr, flmr, 2 hand flmr, pod 210 5 man tac hvy flmr, 2 hand flmr pod 135 5 man aslt 2 melta, 2 inferno pistol 510 1390 total Thanks for that Bis. With the 110 points I could look at dropping the libby and adding dante for some cc support. Against Eldar I'd probably drop all of the melta squads first to de-bus the wave serpents then follow up with the flamer pods. Against hordes it goes the other way. A slight tweak might be to remove one of the ass squad pods, tool up the 5 man tac with 3 meltas and then bring in the anti psyker assassin in a pod. Edit: Actually Meph looks good instead of swapping out the libby for dante but you have to roll for the jump power and then there is the chance of not getting it off. Edit Edit: actually going on 135 pts per ass squad thats 405 pts so i have an addtional 105pts up my sleave. Maybe fill out the tact squad to 10 men or find some more jump packs somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bis5523 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Do you guys think it's better to put tacticals in rhinos or drop pod for general purpose? I would definitely throw them in a Drop pod for a few reasons: 1. You pick wear it lands(minus the scatter) 2. It is more resilient than a rhino 3. It is cheaper than a rhino 4. "Objective secured" drop pods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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