Zembar Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Okay, more details are coming now. I'm thinking an allied detachment with: Library Dread in a pod as HQ Scout squad with camo and a locator beacon as a Troop Drop Pod as FA Infiltrate the scout for our deep strikes, put our purifiers in the FA pod. This is going to be great. If only we could do it without allies... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Looks very good to me... allies are needed, we must face that. how much points does cost this formation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3885274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm not sure, but an educated guess would be somewhere between 300 and 400 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3885278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsev Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Not bad... To be honest i was thinking about some ba allies, but not for that i was thinking about somme cheap fnp... But i like where youre going... Are we sure that ba get drop pods in fa or is this bases on the SW dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3885694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The current BA Sang Priests don't receive their FNP from the Exsanguinator (which i think is going to be called a standard narthecium in 7th). Instead, they receive FNP from their Blood Chalice which is more inspirational than medical and why it has an effective radius rather than just benefiting the squad as the exsanguinator/narthecium would. With that, the Blood Chalice only affects Blood Angels and their successors. It might change in 7th but i wouldn't count on it. It would be good if the exsanguinator/narthecium could be used for allies which only affects the attached squad and the chalice benefits BA squads in a radius, but thats probably the wrong thread, nay forum, for wishlisting the new BA codex :D If you want better defence than i would suggest either the Ministorum Priest from AS/AM (cant remember which one) or the PFG off a DA librarian. You can also take some Sanctioned Psykers with the Priests to bolter your warp charges and cast random powers on your squads if your libby cant keep up, the down side is they cant deep strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3885883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 they do get FA pods, and fast rhinos/razors as FA as well. Also, Dante is looking pretty boss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Actually, on closer inspection, the formation I listed, with no upgrades bar the beacon, should be under 300 pts. Maybe around 280. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm not that keen TBH. Their Dreads have been nerfed into the ground (plus Hull Points factored in). Mephiston is at least an IC now, so you can attach him to our Terminators and land him Turn 1 to scare the hell out of opponents (he's insanely OP now). Assault Marines are no longer Troops but Tacticals can take a heavy flamer now to be almost as good as Strikes. edit: Baal Preds are now Heavy. Derpaderp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsev Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Isnt meph low?? Or is it only Dante? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 @zembar How many points is the Libby Dread base? Can give the cost in meltabombs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 @zembar How many points is the Libby Dread base? Can give the cost in meltabombs That's the gray area. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's around 24-28mb worth. Probably 28. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nah Dante is Lord of War, as is Seth. Mephiston is still a HQ choice. Librarian Dreads are also HQ's now apparently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Libby dreads are indeed HQ, as it says in the list in my first post :) My idea for that detachment is just to give us some stuff we don't have, such as drop pods and locator beacons. We could also get some good grav/plasma firepower through a tac and/or dev squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 We could also get some good grav/plasma firepower through a tac and/or dev squad. Not really. I'd be taking min Tacs with a heavy flamer and pod, just to fill mandatory Troops. Devastators are bad, don't do that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 We could also get some good grav/plasma firepower through a tac and/or dev squad. Not really. I'd be taking min Tacs with a heavy flamer and pod, just to fill mandatory Troops. Devastators are bad, don't do that. We'll see what makes me go "Ooh! I'd like one of those for my GKs!" when I have the codex in my own hands. For now it's libby dreads, scouts, and drop pods. Dante would require one more troop choice, but that would also open up more pods/other slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If Corbulo transfers to battle bros, he could added to the Draigo+Grav-Centstar combo. FNP on top of Draigo's storm shield is crazy durable. I don't see much else to get excited about. Honestly, SW look like better Allies. Mephiston doesn't have a jump pack :( so no hanging with Terminators for Turn 1 delivery. He'll have to ride a Pod down like a sucker with the Tacs or Purifiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 If Corbulo transfers to battle bros, he could added to the Draigo+Grav-Centstar combo. FNP on top of Draigo's storm shield is crazy durable. I don't see much else to get excited about. Honestly, SW look like better Allies. Mephiston doesn't have a jump pack so no hanging with Terminators for Turn 1 delivery. He'll have to ride a Pod down like a sucker with the Tacs or Purifiers. But I don't like SW.. I think they look boring. Also, their scouts are elites, so I'd need their other troops or bring heaps of their elites to get a pod. And my purifiers want that pod... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 What are you on about? Grey Hunters are excellent, and you only need one of them in an Allied detachment (I doubt you're taking more than 1 Purifier squad anyway). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Excellent and boring are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3886754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think theres far better options for us out there, even just the base SM dex, i mean we are a cc army, BA are ment to be a cc army too, surely if we're going to ally anyone it should be big guns? centurions for example? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 BAs are looking really good IMO, but we don't need them and they don't really need us either although adding libby dreads and such is really cool no doubt. Personally I feel C:SM has the better allied options of the 3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Well yeah, Grav-Centurions+Draigo just werkz gurl. I think BA don't offer that much that we want, and vice versa. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ive not my hands on it yet, but the Angel's Wing jump pack could be useful with the Nemesis Strikeforce Detachment. Grav weaponry i heard is a thing. Not sure how their furious charge or whatever that gives them +1I & +1S works, hopefully it will transfer. I cant wait till the weekend! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah Angel Wing will be nice for delivering a Terminator blob Turn 1 reliably and preventing Riptides just vaping you when you arrive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ive not my hands on it yet, but the Angel's Wing jump pack could be useful with the Nemesis Strikeforce Detachment. Grav weaponry i heard is a thing. Not sure how their furious charge or whatever that gives them +1I & +1S works, hopefully it will transfer. I cant wait till the weekend! All Blood Angel units have Furious Charge. The +1 initiative on the charge comes from the BA detachment, so won't transfer if you use them as allies. If you take a full BA detachment as a secondary that would work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300229-new-ba-as-allies/#findComment-3887913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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