Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Wolf Brothers What do you think about having Ulrik come down in a pod with a unit of MM long fangs as opposed to a unit of Combi-melts PAWG? I haven't found anything in the rule book that states a unit counts as having moved for disembarking only, so the LFs should be able to fire at full BS upon arrival. Yes they'd be static, but the wouldn't be the only pod coming down and once on the ground Ulrik can join another unit. A unit of 4 LFs with MMs and the ancient being upgraded to a tdawg comes in at he exact same point cost as a unit of 5 PAWG with CMs.... I'm definitely thinking the LFs may be the better deal. I know they'd be more static but the have longer range which means a longer range for the 2d6 pen roll as well. And they have a TDA to absorb some shots.... Not to mention can melt more than once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl of Wulfen Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 If I'm not mistaken, disembarking counts as having moved, page 81 of BRB. I like the idea of using multi meltas though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 They do nothing on arrival, which is the whole point of pods. One TDA and a few PA bodies are not enough to protect Ulrik. When you are moving Ulrik to naother unit after landing, why bother with LF at all? Bad idea in my eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I Wish heavy bolter's were relentless, I would love to do drop pods of heavy bolter's. Or Terminators with heavy bolters.... oh man... Fun time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyo ninja Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was playing my friends leaf blower IG (plasma spam argh!)and I thought about doing this, it makes sense as an alpha strike. After some perusal of the BRB I think it counts as moving and they would be firing snap shots. It would be awesome against guard though! Imagine it, 4 multi-melta LFs with split fire all up in their deployment zone, it would be carnage! Alas, it's not to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 They do nothing on arrival, which is the whole point of pods. One TDA and a few PA bodies are not enough to protect Ulrik. When you are moving Ulrik to naother unit after landing, why bother with LF at all? Bad idea in my eyes.I'd agree with you if the pod was coming down by itself, but in my list it would be coming down with 3-4 additional pods of troops and dreadnought in the same general vicinity. That and Thunderwolves storming up the board is a lot to choose from for an opponent, and off the bat Ulrik is not the most intimidating option to get rid of... For the same amount of points I don't think they're that much worse than 4-5 PAWG with Combis.... ALCON. No where on pg 81 BRB does it say the unit counts as having moved just for disembarking. If that was the case how could they then make their 6" move after disembarking and then shoot/run so on...? The rule directly under the explanation on how to disembark states "the model can then make a normal move..." With the stipulation that the model must end its movement within 6" of the access point. If I'm confused, what you're saying is the case... I'm sure there will be plenty of carnage to be had on the next turn (: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkalleone Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 i think ulrik in dp is better with plasmagun/combiplasma spam. if what prey suggest is true this might be some really funny plays we could pull off Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The rule directly under the explanation on how to disembark states "the model can then make a normal move..." With the stipulation that the model must end its movement within 6" of the access point. It states it right there. you disembark by taking your movement. To disembark you make a normal move staying within 6" of the access point. This is why people previously (5th ed) used Logan in the drop pod to give relentless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Loganbomb was fun but never effective. By the way, it is not the disembarking that prevent shootiny, it is the movement of the pod. When a vehicle moves, the crew also counts as having moved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ah there you go... I want terminators with heavy bolters..... in a drop pod... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 They are called Centurions and are easy to get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 or LFs and a rune priest/psyker with endurance. Disembark/move, give the unit relentless and 4+ fnp and chuckle all the way to the bank. Down side is rolling for powers. Alternatively, you can ally in Sevrin Loth from the scorpions and just pick the powers you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yeah you used to be able to do this with logan (as he gave relentless). It was good fun. But now the pod counts as moving, and you disembark by making a move that takes you up to 6" away. It doesn't matter if you only move 1" away, thats still moving, and as far as im aware, you cant stay embarked on a pod (unless a dreadnought in a lucious).Similarly - if you disembark a unit of long fangs from a rhino/razorback...im pretty sure their disembark move means they move, so they can only snap fire. The only way they can fire heavy weapons (without it being snap shots) is by making them relentless - as baulder says, you can do this via endurance powers but its not really reliable. If they are snap firing pref enemy will have only minor effect (rerolling 1s when you need 6s isnt great - and pref enemy doesnt let you reroll your armour pen when it comes to vehicles as far as im aware - only to wound rolls are affected). Wolf priest with long fangs - id much prefer to stick one with a plasma cannon squad, once in range, the pref enemy (take pref enemy infantry) means they reroll their get hot rolls, and reroll 1s on wounds. With the pod tactic, a wolf priest with wolf guard with combi melta is going to get you better results Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3886533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangTC Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Are there any allied ICs we can use to get relentless? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3889613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 No, only by getting Endurance on Biomancy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3889616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangTC Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Ok Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300266-mm-lfs-ulrik-in-pod/#findComment-3890372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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