Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I ordered a copy of the Deathstorm Shield of Baal supplement off eBay, but I want to start building my Squad Raphen before it arrives. To those who have the supplement, can you give me a quick summary of what the fluff is behind Raphen and his squad? I want to do a bit of a kit bash to represent Raphen so I can easily tell him apart from other DC. I believe he has an extra attack, but anything else special about him? Is he the one armed with a thunder hammer in that squad? I'm thinking of maybe painting up a Sanguinary Guard model in black to make my own successor chapter's "counts-as Raphen", with the story being that he is a Sanguinary Guard who fell to the Black Rage (hence the extra attack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Raphen is the one with the hammer yeah, I don't have my book on me so I can't tell you the fluff. I remember the load of the of the rest of the squad is something like: power weapon + inferno pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks. I actually just stumbled across an image of their datasheet, so I see they've got a power fist, power sword, and infernus pistol in that squad alongside Raphen's hammer. Not exactly optimal, but possibly worth the trade-off for being able to bring them as troops. At the local tournaments I attend, it would both save me composition points AND free up an elite slot -- possibly used to buy Lemartes and attach him. I hope I am correct that Raphen's Death Company can be taken in any Blood Angels army, not just the Deathstorm formation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You are correct each unit in the formation has its own data slate for the unit the formation is just a detachment containing all of the units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yep, its not just part of the formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks, brothers. What do you think of my idea for kitbashing my own "counts-as Raphen" for my successor chapter. Is a Sanguinary Guard falling to the Black Rage acceptable fluff-wise? Would they just paint his armour black, or would they pull him out of the artificer armour and put him into regular power armour? The fluff/model for Captain Tycho tells me that this could all be possible but would like your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think it is easily plausible I think that the artificer armor bit is an interesting thought I say model it that way but I think they wouldn't keep the death mask and he would have different weapons as the encarmine blades (whatever they have been renamed) are probably not left in the hands of a madman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think it is easily plausible I think that the artificer armor bit is an interesting thought I say model it that way but I think they wouldn't keep the death mask and he would have different weapons as the encarmine blades (whatever they have been renamed) are probably not left in the hands of a madman Fair enough -- Raphen is armed with a thunder hammer anyway so I would model him that way. I was thinking of keeping the Angelus boltgun though to represent his bolt pistol. I agree they would take the death mask (if he had one) so I would just use a normal SG helmet or one of the DC ones. I will give him DC shoulder pad instead of SG as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah I think you are onto something awesome here I would love to see this conversion... Are you going to use the DC kit hammer or vanguard veterans? As I think moving the angelus bolt gun would be tough if you are using the hammer from the death company kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 My plan is to use the SG arms that are grasping the double-bladed axe in two hands, then chop off the axe blades and put the DC thunder hammer head where the blades were. EDIT: I think I will give him a regular DC jump pack though and save the winged pack for a character -- so in my army only people like the chapter master, chaplains, librarians, and sanguinary priests (plus SG) have those winged backpacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Awesome my one concern is that axe handle looks a little small but I don't have them in front of me to look and compare it is a great look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguine Son Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 As far as I'm aware raphens squad can not take jump packs. Edit. My mistake they can as its part of the base war gear. Doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguine Son Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Cancel I've just double looked and seen the packs. That'll teach me for putting stuff together when drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah, you actually must take them with jump packs, which suits me just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t4play Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/BuddahMickey/Mobile%20Uploads/2013-12/041A4E93-86FA-4186-8E20-BD335105AC63_zpsufsemwow.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t4play Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 My plan is to use the SG arms that are grasping the double-bladed axe in two hands, then chop off the axe blades and put the DC thunder hammer head where the blades were. Not for the same reason but I just chopped the end off the DC hammer for one handed use (well ard) so I could give him a relentless bolter. This also means you could use the DC hammer and arm and just use it on SG body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Cool, thanks for sharing t4play ... he definitely looks ready for business. Anyway, here's my kitbash of Brother Rafael, the fallen Sanguinary Guard who is the Angels Sorroful's version of Raphen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In the fluff he was a captain before he fell I believe. Not that it really matters. Looks great :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I'm wondering why more people don't run them? Its a pretty solid DC unit as troops. I've got the supplements but haven't had the time to read them yet, so what's the catch? They seem like a good alternative for keeping down troop costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 In the fluff he was a captain before he fell I believe. Not that it really matters. Looks great That's okay, because this isn't actually Raphen of the Blood Angels, it's my "counts-as" Raphen -- Rafael of the Angels Sorrowful. I'm wondering why more people don't run them? Its a pretty solid DC unit as troops. I've got the supplements but haven't had the time to read them yet, so what's the catch? They seem like a good alternative for keeping down troop costs. I think the catch is that you have to take them exactly as they are presented in the supplement, which is not a optimal load-out. Everyone bar one member of Raphen's death company has a special weapon so there are inefficiencies there but personally I think it is worth the trade-off of being able to bring them as troops. Especially if you're trying to run a jumper-style list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMek83 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In the fluff he was a captain before he fell I believe. Not that it really matters. Looks great That's okay, because this isn't actually Raphen of the Blood Angels, it's my "counts-as" Raphen -- Rafael of the Angels Sorrowful. I'm wondering why more people don't run them? Its a pretty solid DC unit as troops. I've got the supplements but haven't had the time to read them yet, so what's the catch? They seem like a good alternative for keeping down troop costs. I think the catch is that you have to take them exactly as they are presented in the supplement, which is not a optimal load-out. Everyone bar one member of Raphen's death company has a special weapon so there are inefficiencies there but personally I think it is worth the trade-off of being able to bring them as troops. Especially if you're trying to run a jumper-style list. True. Only one is bare bones without special weapon but still, they pretty much are kit like I always run my 5 DC just not the power sword. Not optimal but its lots of fun and covers all the bases and make opponentr fidget very nervously... And Raphen with Lemartest is troop choice + elite. And not just two elite slots which is huge bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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