Jolemai Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If it was supposed to be there, it would be. As an aside, some people really need to chill out a bit as it's only a game. It's a tiddly little optional extra that makes White Dwarf somewhat interesting this month. Whoopie do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 · Hidden by Morticon, December 17, 2014 - unconstructive Hidden by Morticon, December 17, 2014 - unconstructive I would have used the Angel's Fury formation IF IT WERE IN THE GODDAMN 30 QUIDS CODEX LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO. As is, I won't pay to support a DLC model for a tabletop game, you very much GW. I'll wait for the day it gets released for free, or die waiting. Holy crap, I can't believe how enraged I am. God damn it, Day One DLC bull:cuss in a tabletop game.. Unbelievable. It's a whole new low, AFAIC. If it was supposed to be there, it would be. As an aside, some people really need to chill out a bit as it's only a game. It's a tiddly little optional extra that makes White Dwarf somewhat interesting this month. Whoopie do. Give me one good reason why it wouldn't be, considering it is released in the same week? This is the GW equivalent of selling DLC codes to unlock content on a game disc. It's bull:cuss. Pure, unadulterated, anti-consumer bull:cuss. Link to comment
the jeske Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 [mounting 12" long antenas on SR to cover almost the whole table] Would runing 2 formations work? 3SR+3tacs and the terminator formation+termi Libby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The cost is not the issue, its just the fact they are stringing it out. I don't want to have to carry 4 different books/ magazines to use 1 army before I even cosider the posability of allies. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm not sure you get my idea - I fly in my 3 stormravens turn 1, then drop 2-3 drop pods without scattering and charge your serpents with DC (the only reliable way to kill those bastards)! I don't think this will work. The formation special rule overrides the rule that you cannot assault on the turn you deep strike. It does not override the rule that prevents a unit from assaulting the turn it disembarks from a Pod. IIRC this is part of the Pod's rules and nothing to do with Deep Strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Drop Pods are open, so you can charge from them just fine ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Would runing 2 formations work? 3SR+3tacs and the terminator formation+termi Libby. I don't see why not. I think you can make an army of just formations if you want. I don't remember a rule that you must include a detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Would runing 2 formations work? 3SR+3tacs and the terminator formation+termi Libby. I don't see why not. I think you can make an army of just formations if you want. I don't remember a rule that you must include a detachment. A Formation is a Detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 But isn't the TDA Librarian out of any formation/detachment, thus making the army unbound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Drop Pods are open, so you can charge from them just fine ;D I see what you mean about the formation special rule, your idea would work if there was not a rule listed under drop pod that specifically says "A unit arriving via drop pod cannot assault on the turn it arrives" Look up drop pod assault rules! listed under the drop pod itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Against Eldar, at least one SR will be shot down and their fast movement will allow them to dominate the capping game. Against Tau, two Ravens will go down T1-2. You simply have too few units on the field and the Ravens do not posses enough firepower to make a difference. Sorry guys, we can't beat Tau or Eldar. Pack up your stuff and sell the army and burn the Codex. It's time to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Of cause BA can beat Tau and Eldar. Before when playing sub-2k, you need something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long!I never got why 1st turn annihilation through CC is so much worse than 1st turn annihilation through shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 f-f-f-f-f-f-f.... special rule on special rule are you sure drop pods still have that line in there? I didn't even know about that one (and wasn't not really necessary except for this formation now) -.- As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long! I'm building lists for the national and european tournaments, everything goes ;P Sorry guys, we can't beat Tau or Eldar. Pack up your stuff and sell the army and burn the Codex. It's time to go home. I already managed to build some armies that could beat eldar, it just takes some practice and a bit of luck :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 But isn't the TDA Librarian out of any formation/detachment, thus making the army unbound? How do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The way the post was written (3SR+3tacs and the terminator formation+termi Libby) made it look like the libby was taken in addition to the terminator formation whereas I suspect The Jeske meant it to be part of that formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long!I never got why 1st turn annihilation through CC is so much worse than 1st turn annihilation through shooting. I guess you have a point. How ever its pointless debating it as we cant do it! f-f-f-f-f-f-f.... special rule on special rule are you sure drop pods still have that line in there? I didn't even know about that one (and wasn't not really necessary except for this formation now) -.- I don't have my new dex on me to check, I did only read it in the regular space marine dex, I'm pretty sure they are identical, but would pay to check if someone has the new codex handy. Might keep your hopes up for a little longer anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long!I never got why 1st turn annihilation through CC is so much worse than 1st turn annihilation through shooting. Probably because whatever survives 1st turn shooting can still do things, but whatever survives 1st turn CC is still locked in combat and all it can do is continue dying. What can charge when will be an issue with this formation. It's not meant for drop pods, that's for sure, it's meant for assault troops coming through deep striking themselves. Assault turn 2. Which is still great, but not as broken since the opponent at least has one turn to try to run or nuke your ravens. I think this can use a FAQ from GW. Drop pods can still fall without scatter turn 1 though, which is already very good too, even if they can't assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 But isn't the TDA Librarian out of any formation/detachment, thus making the army unbound?How do you mean? Can you have detachments (formations for example) in an unbound army? The Unbound method is the easiest way to organise an army: simply use whichever units from your collection you want. Besides being a quick way to get your models on the tabletop, the Unbound method also allows you to try out exciting combinations in your army, such as fielding a whole force of Tanks or Flyers, or even of special characters.This says nothing about being allowed to group some of your units into a detachament and reap that detachment's benefits. A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments. Detachments are made up of units that conform to various requirements.So two formations plus a libby cannot be a battle-forged army. As awsome as it sounds I don't think I could use turn 1 drop pod assaults with death company on someone! It would be to broken and nobody would want to play with you for very long!I never got why 1st turn annihilation through CC is so much worse than 1st turn annihilation through shooting. Probably because whatever survives 1st turn shooting can still do things, but whatever survives 1st turn CC is still locked in combat and all it can do is continue dying. What can charge when will be an issue with this formation. It's not meant for drop pods, that's for sure, it's meant for assault troops coming through deep striking themselves. Assault turn 2. Which is still great, but not as broken since the opponent at least has one turn to try to run or nuke your ravens. I think this can use a FAQ from GW. Drop pods can still fall without scatter turn 1 though, which is already very good too, even if they can't assault. Well some armies are better at CC and others are better a shooting. If a unit that arrives 1st turn charges and remains in CC, it has not reached the goal of annihilating that unit. Not only has the enemy the ability to deal damage in his turn he also had the ability to do so on the charger's turn. With shooting you have no option to retaliate on the opponent's turn. If the charger has destroyed the enemy unit, it is out in the open and can be shot at and charged normally on the opponent's turn. Also don't forget reserve manipulation. IIRC the formation has to roll on turn 1 to come in. Another thing is interceptor fire. That can ruin the tactic before it even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You can have Formations in an Unbound army. That (and the stricter FOC) is what makes it special from other Detachments. But you could always take a Librarian with one or two squads to make it a Detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You can have Formations in an Unbound army.Please quote that rule. AFAIK unbound armies can only consist of units, not of detachments in general or formations in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You can have Formations in an Unbound army.Please quote that rule. AFAIK unbound armies can only consist of units, not of detachments in general or formations in particular. Unlike other Detachments, Formations can also be taken as part of Unbound armies. If they are, their units maintain the special rules gained for being partof the Formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 you don't need to skies of fury, you count radius off effect for those that are transported as emanating from the hull of the vehicle. so they can stay onboard. Thats a stretch since the raven isn't a model equipped with a teleport homer. Standard language for THs state the bearer must be on the battlefield fyi. I'd be happy to be proven wrong with a rules reference but I'm pretty sure that type of thing is all but eliminated in 7th. Either way I see some shenanigans with GKs rites of teleportation in the near future! I see Assault Centurions finally not being laughably bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think when the terminator formation with terminator libby was mentioned earlier, it meant the Archangel detachment. That one can consist of a termilibby and 2 terminator squads and it's still battle-forged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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