Cain21 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 So bit of a backstory, I have had a small contingent of wolves since early 5th ed, but have yet to play or paint them (lack of paint due to my feelings of doing injustice to the models, this feeling has changed now due to my better paint skills to date). Anyway so I picked them up this last weekend and decided to paint a few models so I painted the priest, and 2 grey hunters. Well now I'm in a wolfew paint crave and am going to start building a wolves army if I can make a list I like. However I want an all reserved force with pods and flyers, but I also want some twc, and now here's the possible dumb q, can twc be put in a storm wolf or even a storm raven. I know it wouldn't particularly be the best tactic but I think it would be fun, and seeing how I don't have the wolves codex yet I can't really examine this myself. Thanks in advance for your replies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 As freaking awesome as it would be for a bunch of thunderwolf cavalry to come charging out of a pod or stormwolf, unfotunately only infantry models can embark on a transport unless that transport gives special permission for other types of units to embark. Having said that, you really don't need a transport for your cavalry since they wouldn't be able to charge the turn that they arrived from reserves anyway. Better to start them on the board, right at the edge of your deployment zone, and run them across as quickly as possible. In Dawn of War deployment you should be able to get a charge off T2 unless your opponent has a fast army or has deployed with his back to the edge of the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3892798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 No sadly cavalry cannot embark on transports. Also sadly the full on null deployment makes thunderwolf calvary somewhat less optimal. If you put them in reserves they are to slow to get into combat, and if you only deploy them then they are sitting ducks for a turn of shooting (assuming you go second it's a bit less harsh if you go first). Good placement may keep them alive T1 but no guarantees depending on the foe. If you like both pods and cav I would recommend doing some support pods with some thunder cav and some ground support as well. *ninja'd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3892813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Well the idea was to put them in a formationtioned stormraven, then when it comes on to come on skimming, dimemark them, then make the assault, just because it would be freaking awesome not to mention a good ranged assault. Edit: Ah but then I didn't think about not being able to assault anyway, well this was just a bad idea lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3892830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 If you really want a null-deployment force, you want to take drop pods (with WG and/or GH and possibly allied Centurions) and Voidclaws. No room for paws here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3892921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangTC Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Isn't there a forgeworld thunderhawk that can carry very bulky models (ie bikes) and it has an assault ramp?! Maybe TWC can go in that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3893141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 No. Again, page 80 says only Infantry unless states otherwise. TWC are excluded unless transport rules or TWC rules say they can embark. Neither does so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3893142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Ok well poopers guess I'll just have to have twc start on board, and have a whole mess of reserves, and keep my fingers crossed that the twc don't die before reinforced. This really won't be my competitive army anyway more so looking for a fun force, got my red scorpion's and IF for competitive. I mean just for kicks I'll be converting a terminator to fit on a tw to represent the stormwolf seeing as how his great company is the one I'm doing, and we all know he has to have his bulkygear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3893516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If you take Harold you can outflank a unit of TWC, to keep with your null deployment wishes. That's turn 3 (at best) assault though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3894538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I have experimented with an all reserves army somewhat, using the Astartes storm wing, two WG thungerstrikes, voidclaws, and a third drop pod full of whatever. It's a fun concept, and puts your opponent off balance because you get up in his face first turn and wreak havoc. There are downsides, the thunderstrike is vulnerable to mishapping, it requires expensive models (points wise), and is good for a T2/T3 charge (depending on when the pod comes in). My community has ruled that the Thunderstrike is subject to drop pod assault rules (since drop pod assault is a manipulation of reserve rolls, an auto-pass, just like deathwing assault). That puts four units on the table T1, provided there are no mishaps (which I have been unable to achieve). T1 the voidclaws also come in, again provided there are no mishaps. I bring up the mishaps only because the last two times I ran this type of list, I constantly scattered off the marker and right into a mishap. Luckily, I rolled well on the mishaps so my units were only delayed. It hurt me a little, because that was a turn that unit didn't spend killing things. If you run pods, run a lot of them, and don't put an expensive unit in them, keep the pods cheap, unless you're trying to force a choice on your opponent. Don't get me wrong the thunderstrike is a great formation, and I intend to continue running it, but I'd back your list up with some solid heavy support, like some long fangs and use some thunderwolf cav to be a good harassment unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3894665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Well I'm not worried about late game charges, in 5th ed I played an all drop pod Black Templar army at 2500pts, and that was before templars had drop pod assault so I wasnt getting in assault till t3 anyway, and most games I tabled my opponents (oooh they days when BT were the best assault army), anyway I do have a lot of experience with pods and all reserve armies. However my designing of this SW army has me in a craw as I don't have the new book. I do have a few questions though what is this storm claw formation, and how are harald deathwolf's stats and how many points would he compare to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3894683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You do know you'll have more questions, more after that, and still more until ultimately you get the codex. I think you can do everything you really want with just the codex. You get all the units and fast attack drop pods with reserve manipulation in the codex detachment. After you find you really enjoy SW, then you can pick up the supplement with void claw, thunder strike, or many other formations (I don't particularly care for the formations, but love the Company of the Great Wolf Detachment for its special rules and force organization). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3895356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yeah I'm breaking down and getting the codex tonight. Going to just have to see for myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3895409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The late game charges don't bother me either, since I tend to use the assault phase defensively first turn anyway. Since I'm coming in from deep strike, I'm not able to charge, and I tend to kit my wolves for basic close combat and focus on shooting. I try to saturate my opponent with attacks, so he fails by statistics. Since I run from the supplement, I get +1 WS on most of my army, and most of my army is elites, so veteran statlines. That's my philosophy in a nutshell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3895834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 So I got the codex and a box of twc, I have read through the new book and built them. I have to say for one that I have owned well over 40k points of 40k (huh ironic didn't intend that) and I can honestly say the twc were one of the most fun kits I have ever built so I will definitely be getting more in the long run. Also the new wolves book has some extreme potential and I am very excited to pull some shenanigans. Oh and the best coincidence has to be that twc got substantially cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3896727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 So I got the codex and a box of twc, I have read through the new book and built them. I have to say for one that I have owned well over 40k points of 40k (huh ironic didn't intend that) and I can honestly say the twc were one of the most fun kits I have ever built so I will definitely be getting more in the long run. Also the new wolves book has some extreme potential and I am very excited to pull some shenanigans. Oh and the best coincidence has to be that twc got substantially cheaper. Good man! I think we are going to get along swimmingly :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3896735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxoblivionxx33 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I run a 19 twc list, while it either wins hard or loses hard and is a complete 1 trick pony, they are the models that got me in to wolves. Amazing plastic kit, relatively easy to put together once you learn how to put the feet on without the instructions,. If they could come out of a storm wolf it would be ridiculous, i want nothing more then that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3896801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I run a 19 twc list, while it either wins hard or loses hard and is a complete 1 trick pony, they are the models that got me in to wolves. Amazing plastic kit, relatively easy to put together once you learn how to put the feet on without the instructions,. If they could come out of a storm wolf it would be ridiculous, i want nothing more then that. Hm. Then alter the models a bit. It would be Thunderwolves riding the Space Wolves. There, infantry. You may embark now :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3896819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Lol, that would be quite a site. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300579-possibly-a-dumb-question/#findComment-3897057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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