drooling blood Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Its all written from Khayons, possibly, possibly not, wilful surrender to the inquisition pov. Of course he could just be telling his captors, that were uniting, so even that is following Magnus' attempt to warn the emp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4215893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ah the old story of abby vs siggy. I just heard Templar yesterday, my first audio book. And while the content is good, I rather read tbh. It really brought up a bit of siggys character and I recommend it. He wasn't owning everyone left and right, and gets into some rough spots. Now about this duel. After the ignobile fate of Argen Tal, my second favourite, I do hope that Siggys demise is epic. I grudgingly accept his death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4222288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 You know, when I think of Abaddon versus Sigismund, I hear this song in my head: Conquistador there is no time I must pay my respectAnd though I came to jeer at you I leave now with regret And as the gloom begins to fall I see there is no only all And though you came with sword held high You did not conquer, only die. To my mind, what it takes for Sigismund to have a worthy death is not so trivial as him losing due to being outnumbered or something tilting the balance in Abaddons favor in their showdown so that 'he didn't really win' the fight. In fact to my mind it somewhat dishonors the character to do so, rather then find a truly worthy opponent he dies this unmatched mythical figure that dies not how a warrior should die...in being bested in combat...but rather dies to the unfair whims of an uncaring universe. It's so detached from humanity and history that in my eyes it makes him a lesser hero, not a greater one. Rather, a worthy death is one by the hands of Abaddon that impacts Abaddon greatly, a death that leaves a lasting impact on the one who slew him beyond mere scar tissue, the greatest thing Sigismund could do is fight the man who would bring down the Imperium and...in some small way....change him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4229961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Truckin Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Does anyone know if we can expect a follow up novel in 2016? I desperately need some inspiration to finish up my current backlog Black Legion models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4248757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Does anyone know if we can expect a follow up novel in 2016? I desperately need some inspiration to finish up my current backlog Black Legion models. Maybe very late 2016? I think AD-B's still focussing on Master of Mankind right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4248761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 You know, I was rereading the end of Talon last night and I think it cemented it as a very good book to me. Very plainly I am an Emperors Children fan, and as such this was a strange book because it takes place during the Legion Wars when my faction is the main antagonist. Yet at no point from start to finish do I feel humiliated or denigrated as I might with another author, every victory comes with a high price in blood and souls, especially that very last one at the end of the book comes at an extremely steep cost. The books about the Black Legions ascendance and the Emperors Childrens ultimate defeat, but I still feel like I got my licks in, at no point in the book do we just get completely steamrolled without bloodying the main characters nose in some way. Hopefully the fight with Sigismund is written in the same way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4249421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodanshi Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'm an extreme fan of ADB's work, but I made a silly mistake I am now rectifying. I hadn't read this book at all! I decided I'd either buy it or borrow it from the library. Moments after my decision I was going through one of my cupboards in my bedroom and came across a boxed package that I had lying around from 2014. I opened it up... and I had the original, special hardback release of it in there! I don't remember ordering it, but I do recall opening the package, cooing over how beautiful it looked and felt to the touch, and then reverently putting it away to read it later. It's now been over a year, but I've gotten started! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4249929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think MoM is going to be game-changing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4250088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I think if there's one thing I like Abaddon it's that.....Abaddon reminds me a lot of Lucius. That sounds insane doesn't it? but what makes Abaddon strong is that he doesn't totally embrace the Chaos Gods, he finds a careful balance and uses their power to his own end in the Long War. Similarly Lucius is strong because he didn't fall completely into the mindless debauchery and hedonism he could have, he actually cleaves very close to the Third Legions original ideal(Despite apparently scorning it.) and focuses on the perfection of technique with Slaanesh only being an added boon to achieve that goal, and in a way being that master swordsman is as appealing to Slaanesh as any other devotion he could throw at the Youngest Gods feet, Lucius craves control and to fall completely into Slaanesh would be to become no better then the mindless bezerkers of the World Eaters and it's for this same reason Chaos favors him. The most powerful, fearsome, and intelligent Slaaneshi don't go chasing waterfalls, they resist temptation and stick to the rivers and the lakes they are used to. ...Or maybe i'm crazy and just drawing connections where there are none, it's been a long new years. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4265426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosey_j Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think if there's one thing I like Abaddon it's that.....Abaddon reminds me a lot of Lucius. That sounds insane doesn't it? but what makes Abaddon strong is that he doesn't totally embrace the Chaos Gods, he finds a careful balance and uses their power to his own end in the Long War. Similarly Lucius is strong because he didn't fall completely into the mindless debauchery and hedonism he could have, he actually cleaves very close to the Third Legions original ideal(Despite apparently scorning it.) and focuses on the perfection of technique with Slaanesh only being an added boon to achieve that goal, and in a way being that master swordsman is as appealing to Slaanesh as any other devotion he could throw at the Youngest Gods feet, Lucius craves control and to fall completely into Slaanesh would be to become no better then the mindless bezerkers of the World Eaters and it's for this same reason Chaos favors him. The most powerful, fearsome, and intelligent Slaaneshi don't go chasing waterfalls, they resist temptation and stick to the rivers and the lakes they are used to. ...Or maybe i'm crazy and just drawing connections where there are none, it's been a long new years. Yeah, I don't agree with this. We're yet to actually see Lucius properly fall. All the novels/shorts with Lucius in currently have him as still being more legionnaire than chaos marine at this point. I think by the time we get to 40k Lucius will be a slavering, depraved mad man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4269425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think MoM is going to be game-changing I'm willing to bet the opposite, actually, in terms of its portrayal of the Big E. Might be the best HH novel to date, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4269443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think if there's one thing I like Abaddon it's that.....Abaddon reminds me a lot of Lucius. That sounds insane doesn't it? but what makes Abaddon strong is that he doesn't totally embrace the Chaos Gods, he finds a careful balance and uses their power to his own end in the Long War. Similarly Lucius is strong because he didn't fall completely into the mindless debauchery and hedonism he could have, he actually cleaves very close to the Third Legions original ideal(Despite apparently scorning it.) and focuses on the perfection of technique with Slaanesh only being an added boon to achieve that goal, and in a way being that master swordsman is as appealing to Slaanesh as any other devotion he could throw at the Youngest Gods feet, Lucius craves control and to fall completely into Slaanesh would be to become no better then the mindless bezerkers of the World Eaters and it's for this same reason Chaos favors him. The most powerful, fearsome, and intelligent Slaaneshi don't go chasing waterfalls, they resist temptation and stick to the rivers and the lakes they are used to. ...Or maybe i'm crazy and just drawing connections where there are none, it's been a long new years. Yeah, I don't agree with this. We're yet to actually see Lucius properly fall. All the novels/shorts with Lucius in currently have him as still being more legionnaire than chaos marine at this point. I think by the time we get to 40k Lucius will be a slavering, depraved mad man. You sure about that? He's already pretty depraved and crazy, everyone is by now actually. He just doesn't tip all the way over the edge. And why would he? he'd hardly be a master swordsman if he did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4269532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosey_j Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think if there's one thing I like Abaddon it's that.....Abaddon reminds me a lot of Lucius. That sounds insane doesn't it? but what makes Abaddon strong is that he doesn't totally embrace the Chaos Gods, he finds a careful balance and uses their power to his own end in the Long War. Similarly Lucius is strong because he didn't fall completely into the mindless debauchery and hedonism he could have, he actually cleaves very close to the Third Legions original ideal(Despite apparently scorning it.) and focuses on the perfection of technique with Slaanesh only being an added boon to achieve that goal, and in a way being that master swordsman is as appealing to Slaanesh as any other devotion he could throw at the Youngest Gods feet, Lucius craves control and to fall completely into Slaanesh would be to become no better then the mindless bezerkers of the World Eaters and it's for this same reason Chaos favors him. The most powerful, fearsome, and intelligent Slaaneshi don't go chasing waterfalls, they resist temptation and stick to the rivers and the lakes they are used to. ...Or maybe i'm crazy and just drawing connections where there are none, it's been a long new years. Yeah, I don't agree with this. We're yet to actually see Lucius properly fall. All the novels/shorts with Lucius in currently have him as still being more legionnaire than chaos marine at this point. I think by the time we get to 40k Lucius will be a slavering, depraved mad man. You sure about that? He's already pretty depraved and crazy, everyone is by now actually. He just doesn't tip all the way over the edge. And why would he? he'd hardly be a master swordsman if he did. Compared to some of his other 'brothers' (the truly demented Kaeroson, the 'stitched open my own eyes and mouth' Marius Vairosean and the twice born Eidolon, to name a few), he's still just about hanging on. Not quite at the corpse defiling (emphasis on the word defiling), flesh eating Lucius we know and love in 40k. Which is a good thing, as it gives authors the chance to do a series on how he reaches those depths of total depravity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4270047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 After all the good comments about this book i thought I'd grab an eBook copy of TTOH and I'm very glad I did. I found it very enjoyable although there were some scenes I found not 100% (like being able to psychically pull a starship behind another one for months on end and then hurling it like a spear). The rest was good, even the part of Abaddon getting golden eyes after staring at the Astronomicon for too long. It was certainly interesting that it produces "Fire Angels" which attach "Eye space" to the point of burning Daemon planets. Making it seem more like a long term anti-Chaos device than just a light house. It does also hint about future plot development regarding The EoM's final demise which if written correctly could be a good source for a further 12 novel series to set the scene (like the Beast series that seems to have a definitive release date). Looking forward to part 2 should it come out. Also looking forward to Master of Mankind whenever that is due. Regarding Horus' destruction. I believe the Chaos Gods withdrawal from Horus happened the moment they felt the buildup of the Emperors lance. Thus allowing him to suddenly realise the errors of his ways whilst still giving The Emperor a moment to obliterate him as he was too corrupted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4272847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 With the actual formation of the Black Legion in the next books, i'm eager to see if Eidolon shows up and how that might work with the grudges of the first book. I know he becomes a lieutenant ito the black crusades n the gothic war at least, and i'd like to see what the character is like as 'The Risen'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4273123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I believe the Chaos Gods withdrawal from Horus happened the moment they felt the buildup of the Emperors lance. That terrible moment I re-read a post I've written and a whole sentence sounds so very very wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4274463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Loesh - Eidolon is a peacock. Abyy would never work with him. And knowing Aaron's writing speed - we would be very lucky to have anything except 'Master of Mankind' this year. Plus add to that the cool 'Road to Jove' that he is writing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4279122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Finally finished reading the book last night. Was a great read. Lheor is becoming my favourite character. ALso can't wait to read more of Abaddon. I liked the scene where Telemachon is comparing Anemnesis to the Naiads from Greek Mythology and talking about oceans on Chemos. Even better was Lheor responding saying along the lines "That's the most stupid thing I ever heard!" Can't wait for the second book. Hop to it ADB! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4289214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Loesh - Eidolon is a peacock. Abyy would never work with him. And knowing Aaron's writing speed - we would be very lucky to have anything except 'Master of Mankind' this year. Plus add to that the cool 'Road to Jove' that he is writing I think if Abaddon never worked with someone he didn't like then he probably wouldn't of ever made anything bigger then a small warband of ten or twelve people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4289997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 "I want my Crusade against the Imperium to consist only of warriors I would sit and have a beer with." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4290269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 "I want my Crusade against the Imperium to consist only of warriors I would sit and have a beer with." Why is it a certain quote from Bender springs to me here? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4290511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm sure Abaddon could find a use for most any chaos warrior, wouldn't come close to being in his inner circle though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4291932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm sure Abaddon could find a use for most any chaos warrior, wouldn't come close to being in his inner circle though. Wouldn't they? I could see Abaddon putting people he hates in his inner circle, maybe even a lot of people he hates. They don't even get along with each other but they all have useful talents. I mean really what's the worry? that they'll try to kill him for his power? them and a not insignificant chunk of the black legion already. You don't get to be Warmaster of the biggest Legion in the Eye by turning away good talent because of personality quirks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4292486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 · Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, July 19, 2016 - No reason given Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, July 19, 2016 - No reason given Loesh is right. It is wise to keep friends close, but it is even wiser to keep enemies closer. Especially as a Chaos Lord, as a master of a legion of monsters and broken things and as a lord of a host united in hatred. In fact, I think it is the most sensible policy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4292775
DarKnight Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 More like I think his Ezekerion are a group of people with a specific goal in mind, the end of the Imperium of Man and the institution of a new Imperium with Abaddon as Emperor. Various warlords like a Lucious, Khârn, etc. might just want slaves to torture and skulls to take, and therefore wouldn't have as much use in the inner circle, but if he needed to occupy the flank of the Catachan 115th so the flank of the Cadian Shock will be exposed for a warband of Plague Marines to drive into? Then they have their uses without having to account for their "eccentricities" posing a threat to his greater plans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300714-talon-of-horus/page/9/#findComment-4292811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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