AekoldHelbrass Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 ForgeWorld latest FAQ missed a lot of rule questions and clarifications, and we've seen a lot of them on the internet, coming from different sources. Let's try to collect all of them in one topic, as community-based FAQ for Horus Heresy. I will try to edit this post with all the updates, but I do not promise to do it in timely fashion. Your help is needed: please quote a question and an answer, and if possible - post a screenshot link as a proof for anyone who may doubt your good intentions. Archive of screenshots: http://goo.gl/afBdbR Q: "A Legion Centurion may exchange either their bolt pistol or chainsword/combat blade for one of the following", does it mean that Legion Centurion cannot take both Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon? Or it should say "and/or" instead? A: What it means is that you can exchange their bolt pistol for one of the weapons options, you can also exchange their Chainsword or combat blade for one of the weapon options. So, you could exchange his bolt pistol for a plasma pistol and also then exchange his chainsword for a powersword. He would then be armed with a plasma pistol and powersword. Q: The standard Drop Pods appear to differ from the 40K equivalents in that they do not have the section of the rules which forces the embarked unit to disembark the turn they land, instead it simply says the doors open (Open Topped justification) and reinforces that they cannot assault the turn they arrive. Is this an intentional omission to bring the standard Drop Pods in line with the Lucius Pods (which likewise do not force the Dreadnoughts to disembark)? A: The Legion Drop Pod rules were designed to bring them in line with the Lucius Dreadnought Drop Pod. So, in Horus Heresy the way the Drop Pod works is that you do not have to automatically leave it when it lands. Q: I was just wondering whether it was an intentional omission to leave the Knights inaccessible to the Legion Marine list and exclusive to Mechanicum as a Lord of War? As they are listed in the Mechanicum forces and not listed in the Legion Lords of War explanation section it doesn't appear that you can take a Knight in a Legion list as a Lord of War. A: The knight houses are tied in quite closely with the Mechanicum and this is why Knights are available to the Mechanicum and not accessible to the Legions. Q: In the Lords of War section of LACAL, each of the LoW types generally lists that it must be taken from the same army list as primary detachment. However, the Sub Orbital Strike Wing option lacks this limitation. Does this mean that I could, for instance, have 2 Solar Auxilia Thunderbolts providing Combat Air Patrol for Legiones Astartes force? Or, vice-versa, a flight of Primaris Lightnings (with Astartes pilots) providing CAP for purely SA force? Or is the Sub Orbital Strike Wing supposed to be limited, like the other choices, to units already available to the force's primary detachment? A: You are correct, the flyers can be from any list, they do not have to be from the main detachment list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Can Blood Angels use storm eagles? They've written emails to the effect that yes, they will FAQ them into the Blood Angels codex, but a reminder can't hurt! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 What? I think you are confusing 40k with 30k. There is no question that the BA Legion can use Stormeagles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Yea, I was waiting for someone to confirm my suspicions. I'm waiting the most for proofs of not having to disembark from drop pods, and maybe someone has a proof of Horus having relentless with his unique set of terminator amour... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 On the pods...RAW, they don't have to disembark. Even the latest print of the rules didn't add the missing rules. Good thing they are called LEGION drop pods. Horus...he doesn't have Terminator armor, he has the Serpent Scales with the rules listed in its entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 pretty sure someone here emailed FW on disembarking from drop pods query and they said that, no, a unit in a legion drop pod didn't need to disembark the turn it arrived. As for Primarchs: all their suits of armor have their own special rules. Even if the art has Perturabo and Horus in terminator armor, their suits have their own thing going for them. Also, doesn't the Primarch rule include Relentless anyways? (currently abroad without books, cannot confirm) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 On the pods...RAW, they don't have to disembark. Even the latest print of the rules didn't add the missing rules. Good thing they are called LEGION drop pods.Yes, but it is always good to have a proof for complainers. Horus...he doesn't have Terminator armor, he has the Serpent Scales with the rules listed in its entry.Entry for his armour begins with the words "Unique set of Terminator armour". pretty sure someone here emailed FW on disembarking from drop pods query and they said that, no, a unit in a legion drop pod didn't need to disembark the turn it arrived.Yes, that was Dono1979, I already wrote him a message asking to add his entry to this thread. As for Primarchs: all their suits of armor have their own special rules. Even if the art has Perturabo and Horus in terminator armor, their suits have their own thing going for them. Also, doesn't the Primarch rule include Relentless anyways? (currently abroad without books, cannot confirm)Unfortunately, Primarch does not provide Relentless. Yet, in case of Horus it looks little strange that his has orbital bombardment the same way Master of the Signal has, yet he cannot use it if he moved in his unique set of terminator armour, unlike Master of the Signal in any suit of simplest terminator armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 What? I think you are confusing 40k with 30k. There is no question that the BA Legion can use Stormeagles. I'm in the wrong forum. That's what happens when you navigate from the "New Content" view... my apologies. Carry on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3896825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Here's a screen shot of the email I recieved from Forge World in regards to the question regarding Legion Drop Pods: removed as it is now linked on first post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3897002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Yes, it does say Horus has Terminator armor...a unquie set, with its own rules of which relentless is not included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3897512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 The Primarchs are rules bloated enough as it is. If every one of them had Relentless (it only being available to some doesn't seem to make much sense) then some of their ranged weapons like Dorns Salvo 3/5 Super Bolter would get waaaay better. Besides, Horus only has a twin-linked Bolter and Perturabo's hand cannons are already Assault 3 so its not really an issue. Only mentioned these two since they're the only ones depicted in "Terminator" armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3897515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 Besides, Horus only has a twin-linked Bolter and Perturabo's hand cannons are already Assault 3 so its not really an issue. Only mentioned these two since they're the only ones depicted in "Terminator" armor. Horus has orbital bombardment that is extremely inconvenient to use without relentless :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3897870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Eh, so. It's a tacked-on gimmick, not the main deal. Look at Ferrus as a counter, he's got Relentless, and unless you're keen to use his grav gun (meh) it's pretty pointless. Handsome though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3898074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Check out the latest addition (huge thanx to Dono1979 for contributing two thirds of current clarifications), doesn't that one looks strange to you? It basically means that as soon as GW will update the Apocalypse - we will be able to take up to 2 Knights as single Lord of War choice, but those will be only GW knights. Of course, until FW will update their Apocalypse book as well, and we'll get datasheets for their knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3902649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Besides, Horus only has a twin-linked Bolter and Perturabo's hand cannons are already Assault 3 so its not really an issue. Only mentioned these two since they're the only ones depicted in "Terminator" armor.Horus has orbital bombardment that is extremely inconvenient to use without relentless :)AFB but doesn't it require that you don't move? And if it's Ordnance it can't be fired either. In regards to Lords of War and apocalypse with Knights - Age of Darkness is a completely different ruleset. You don't get multiple detachments, you get your Primary Detachment and the Allied Detachment. You CAN play with 30k models with CAD and Eternal War, but it requires homebrew. If a Legion wishes to take Knights they must take a Mechanicum Knight Detachment, or be Allies to an Admech list with Knight Lords of War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3902753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 In regards to Lords of War and apocalypse with Knights - Age of Darkness is a completely different ruleset. You don't get multiple detachments, you get your Primary Detachment and the Allied Detachment. You CAN play with 30k models with CAD and Eternal War, but it requires homebrew. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Yes that's completely different ruleset, and? "War Machine Detachment" Lord of War type tells just "appropriate Apocalypse datasheet", what word "appropriate" means in this case? On next page we can see the note that we are free to use the units from IA:Apocalypse and IA:Aeronautica if they do not have era-specific counterpart, which, as I wrote above, means that as soon as ForgeWorld will update IA:Apocalypse with their knights - we are free to use them for normal 30k games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3902879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 No need to get snippy, was simply trying to help. "...chosen either from the specific army list for the primary detachment or from an appropriate Apocalypse datasheet." "In order to represent this diversity when it comes to Super-heavy vehicles and flyers, it is perfectly acceptable to use specific Imperial Super-heavy vehicles and Flyer units from Forge World's wider Imperial Armour range such as Imperial Armour; Apocalypse or Imperial Armour Aeronautica" which do not already have an era-specific counterpart listed in a Horus Heresy supplement." Now, I don't know about you, but I'm looking at Horus Heresy Book IV and Horus Heresy Book III which both contain rules for Knights and are HH Supplements. So even if FW update their rules, there's nothing allowing Knights to be taken as Lords of War. Ironically enough, they can however take Crassus/Praetors, Macharius variants, and Marauder Destroyers because they're not actually yet discovered/created so would not be mentioned within the rules for the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3902990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 I apologize if sounded wrong, didn't meant to. Still haven't learned to wrap my thoughts properly in writing form. But again I'm losing the point. Do you mean that HH already has counterparts for those units, that's why you cannot use them because those counterparts belong to different army? Because it specifically allows us to field IA:Apocalypse units, and I'm pretty sure that next release of IA:Apocalypse will contain Knights, which means that RAW will allow you to take knights, unless there will be clarification on what exactly word "counterpart" and "appropriate" means. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3903174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There are 30k rules for knights. They are released in a Horus Heresy supplement. Like there are rules for Baneblades and Stormblades etc. Just because the rules are not for the Legions doesn't mean that they are not in a HH supplement. They are in a HH supplement which states what armies they are available for, namely Mechanicum Lords of War or Knight Detachments. By RAW, they are in a Heresy Supplement, and you may only use Imperial Super Heavies from Imperial Armour Apocalypse/Aeronautica if that chosen unit was not in a Heresy era rulebook. Unless there is an update for IA; Apoc which explicitly states that the Knights are Lord of War for legions over-riding this limitation, the theoretical inclusion of Knights within the updated IA; Apoc would not allow the Legions to take them because of the Caveat in LACAL. Side note;not only can you take the units which will not be developed for another 10,000 years, but you can take Grey Knight Thunderhawks, because these are differen tfrom LEGION Thunderhawks. But that is extreme semantics Neither does the Sub Orbital Flyer wing actually say what you can take flyers from (compare wording to the other LoW options) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3903712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Huge thanx to Kitwulfen for the latest addition regarding Sub Orbital Strike Wing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300764-forgeworld-faq-compilation-from-personal-queries/#findComment-3982199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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