Deschenus Maximus Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 The Dante + Bike Squad thread gave me a rather devilish idea: Dante Captain - Relic Blade, Storm Shield, Artificer Armour, Auspex, Space Marine Bike Sanguinary Priest - Bolt Pistol (why oh why is it not part of his base gear???), Valour's Edge, Auspex, Space Marine Bike 501 pts Marching order: Dante, followed by the Captain, followed by the Priest. -Majority T5 combined with 2+ Armour Save and FnP means that it's going to take a lot of small arms fire to even cause a single wound to Dante. 40.5 BS 4 boltgun shots, for example. -Any S8-9 shots get LoS to the Captain for him to save on his Artificer Armour or Storm Shield (because Dante would be denied FnP). -Any S10 hits stay with Dante so as not to see the Captain instagibbed. -Only 3 models in the squad limits the damage Blast and Template weapons can do the unit. -Majority WS 7 means WS 3 models only hit on 5+ in CC. -The squad throws out 6 WS 7 S7 Ap2 attacks @ Init 6/7, 4 WS 7 S7 Ap3 attacks @ Init 5/6 and 4 WS 6 S5 Ap2 attacks at Init 4/5 on the charge. -2 Auspexes add some utility to the unit. -Hit and Run at Init 6 greatly limits the problem tarpits can cause to most deathstars. -Highly mobile -Can split off to go after different targets/contest multiple objectives on T5. Pretty badass. Would not use in an environment where superheavies are used, but otherwise, I'd feel confident sending this against pretty much anything else in the game. Can be made even deadlier (though costlier) with Allied SM bike CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Why is Dante denied FNP on S8+ shots? I thought FNP didn't work only if the shot had ID (which it doesn't because Dante is EW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother apocalyptic Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It still has ID, but the EW changes the effect of ID to suffering 1 wound, instead of all wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 It still has ID, but the EW changes the effect of ID to suffering 1 wound, instead of all wounds. This, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Priest has a Chainsword, so he doesn't need a Bolt Pistol if you buy him Valour's Edge. Why two Auspex? Wasn't aware that they stacked with one another. Otherwise, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Stick 'em in a Grav Bike Command Squad and save yourself the Priest. Only slighly more expensive but has better dakka, more bodies and still access to FnP through the CS apothecary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Sadly, we don't get Bike Command Squads so in order to do that, we would need to take C:SM (and thus the Chapter Master) Using our Priests in this manner, the squad gains +1 WS, +1 I in addition to the FnP offered by from Narthecium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Priest has a Chainsword, so he doesn't need a Bolt Pistol if you buy him Valour's Edge. Why two Auspex? Wasn't aware that they stacked with one another. They defs dont stack. Maybe for two different units? Also, you would need a BP to get the extra attack as Valour's Edge replaces a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Priest has a Chainsword, so he doesn't need a Bolt Pistol if you buy him Valour's Edge. Why two Auspex? Wasn't aware that they stacked with one another. They defs dont stack. Maybe for two different units? Also, you would need a BP to get the extra attack as Valour's Edge replaces a weapon. Seriously, why don't we have a facepalm smiliey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 One point to rule them all. I'm sure someone smiled while wrting that pistol tax into the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 One point to rule them all. I'm sure someone smiled while wrting that pistol tax into the book. I gave my priest a lightning claw so if I don't have the point, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Stick 'em in a Grav Bike Command Squad and save yourself the Priest. Only slighly more expensive but has better dakka, more bodies and still access to FnP through the CS apothecary. As pointed out, we unfortunately don't have Bike Command Squads. Would be awesome if we did though. Storm Shields, Grav Guns, claws and fists. Hurrrah They defs dont stack. Maybe for two different units? Yes, two different units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Stick 'em in a Grav Bike Command Squad and save yourself the Priest. Only slighly more expensive but has better dakka, more bodies and still access to FnP through the CS apothecary. As pointed out, we unfortunately don't have Bike Command Squads. Would be awesome if we did though. Storm Shields, Grav Guns, claws and fists. Hurrrah Immersturn makes extensive use of allies. I assume he was referring to an allied unit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Stick 'em in a Grav Bike Command Squad and save yourself the Priest. Only slighly more expensive but has better dakka, more bodies and still access to FnP through the CS apothecary. As pointed out, we unfortunately don't have Bike Command Squads. Would be awesome if we did though. Storm Shields, Grav Guns, claws and fists. Hurrrah Immersturn makes extensive use of allies. I assume he was referring to an allied unit! Yeah that's ok. I'm just unable to do that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Had another sorta crazy idea: Dante Librarian - Bike, ML 2, Gallian's Staff, Auspex Librarian - Bike, ML 2, Valour's Edge, Auspex 480 pts Both Libbies roll on Biomancy - or at least until one of them gets Iron Arm. Due to Majority Toughness, the whole squad would count as T8. Iron Arm libby with Galian's Staff would strike at S10 on the charge, Valour's Edge libby would strike at S8 but with Ap2. It's a lot less reliable than the version I've presented in the OP, but has potentialy greater dividents. Even if you don't get Iron Arm, the other Biomancy powers are solid (except for Haomorrage). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vettanker Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield They are two handed but all that means is he can never get the +1 attack for using two weapons. Doesn't say anywhere in the rule that he can't have more than the one weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Had another sorta crazy idea: Dante Librarian - Bike, ML 2, Gallian's Staff, Auspex Librarian - Bike, ML 2, Valour's Edge, Auspex 480 pts Both Libbies roll on Biomancy - or at least until one of them gets Iron Arm. Due to Majority Toughness, the whole squad would count as T8. Iron Arm libby with Galian's Staff would strike at S10 on the charge, Valour's Edge libby would strike at S8 but with Ap2. It's a lot less reliable than the version I've presented in the OP, but has potentialy greater dividents. Even if you don't get Iron Arm, the other Biomancy powers are solid (except for Haomorrage). Def. something i'd like to try, even if just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The Biker Priest and Biker Captian are already in the que so this is totally gonna happen at some point. Excellent idea Deschenus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield They are two handed but all that means is he can never get the +1 attack for using two weapons. Doesn't say anywhere in the rule that he can't have more than the one weapon. hmmm i think you may need to look into this, as back in 6th ed i ran vanguards alot and gave my Sarge a power first on the pretense he couldn't use a relic blade with a storm shield, i could be wrong, its just what the guys in GW told me though and they are prone to errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield They are two handed but all that means is he can never get the +1 attack for using two weapons. Doesn't say anywhere in the rule that he can't have more than the one weapon. hmmm i think you may need to look into this, as back in 6th ed i ran vanguards alot and gave my Sarge a power first on the pretense he couldn't use a relic blade with a storm shield, i could be wrong, its just what the guys in GW told me though and they are prone to errors No, relic blade storm shield is perfectly legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 The Biker Priest and Biker Captian are already in the que so this is totally gonna happen at some point. Excellent idea Deschenus! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vettanker Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield They are two handed but all that means is he can never get the +1 attack for using two weapons. Doesn't say anywhere in the rule that he can't have more than the one weapon. hmmm i think you may need to look into this, as back in 6th ed i ran vanguards alot and gave my Sarge a power first on the pretense he couldn't use a relic blade with a storm shield, i could be wrong, its just what the guys in GW told me though and they are prone to errors Two handed may have been different in 6th, idk. I'm just starting my BAs and never used any two handed weapons in my other armies. This is coming straight from the little pop up rule box in my iCodex, wording is pretty much exactly the same as the no +1 Attack clause for storm shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Correct me if im wrong, but arent Relic blades 2H? meaning u cant use one with a Storm shield They are two handed but all that means is he can never get the +1 attack for using two weapons. Doesn't say anywhere in the rule that he can't have more than the one weapon. hmmm i think you may need to look into this, as back in 6th ed i ran vanguards alot and gave my Sarge a power first on the pretense he couldn't use a relic blade with a storm shield, i could be wrong, its just what the guys in GW told me though and they are prone to errors No, they were mistaken. Being able to carry 3-4 hands worth of weapons hs been around since 4th edition. Look up the 2 handed rule, and the storm shield rule. Looking up the actual rules themselves is much better than asking someone else for them. 2 handed was not different in 6th. The no +1 attack rule is not related to the rules which state what weapons a model can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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