Deadman Wade Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I've played only a couple of games so far, but I absolutely love new BA codex. No new ugly abominations like wolf cavalry, derp-dragons or centurions. Awesome assault units with reasonable price (DC and SG), the best tactical squad of all loyalists SM. Finally, thanks to sanguine wing, I can use Vanguards, which are close to useless in C:SM, and Sternguard, previously very expensive. After my first and second armies (CSM and Black Templars) became bland and boring, I was happy when my small Flesh Tearers detachment got everything I wanted from SM army. Also, Seth is almost as good as Khârn when you need cheap beatstick :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I have to admit that the one thing about the new codex that annoys me is razorbacks getting shoved over into Heavy Support. I know, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, I rarely used all my Heavy Support allotment... but on the other hand, razorbacks just aren't all that good. It was a lot easier to justify using them as a dedicated transport because they're pretty good as transports. However, they're pretty crappy as tanks, even if they are tanks that can carry some dudes, because "carrying dudes" is no longer nearly as important now that the tank itself can count as scoring, if it somehow happens to survive. I just don't see myself using it as much anymore. I almost feel like I'd rather bring a rhino and use it to transport a tactical squad with a flamer and a heavy flamer. But I hardly called this the "short straw." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I have to admit that the one thing about the new codex that annoys me is razorbacks getting shoved over into Heavy Support. I know, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, I rarely used all my Heavy Support allotment... but on the other hand, razorbacks just aren't all that good. It was a lot easier to justify using them as a dedicated transport because they're pretty good as transports. However, they're pretty crappy as tanks, even if they are tanks that can carry some dudes, because "carrying dudes" is no longer nearly as important now that the tank itself can count as scoring, if it somehow happens to survive. I just don't see myself using it as much anymore. I almost feel like I'd rather bring a rhino and use it to transport a tactical squad with a flamer and a heavy flamer. But I hardly called this the "short straw." Methinks you need to take another look at the rules Pally :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I have to admit that the one thing about the new codex that annoys me is razorbacks getting shoved over into Heavy Support. I know, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, I rarely used all my Heavy Support allotment... but on the other hand, razorbacks just aren't all that good. It was a lot easier to justify using them as a dedicated transport because they're pretty good as transports. However, they're pretty crappy as tanks, even if they are tanks that can carry some dudes, because "carrying dudes" is no longer nearly as important now that the tank itself can count as scoring, if it somehow happens to survive. I just don't see myself using it as much anymore. I almost feel like I'd rather bring a rhino and use it to transport a tactical squad with a flamer and a heavy flamer. But I hardly called this the "short straw." Methinks you need to take another look at the rules Pally Ah, yes. You're right! It's Fast Attack, not Heavy Support, and only assault marines lost access to it as a dedicated transport. I retract all my complaints. I have no complaints1. New codex = best thing ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Another soul saved from the Black Rage. For now........ http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/148559/dramatic-chipmunk-o.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It seems that most people on here like the codex (myself included) despite a few complaints (anti-air, no Razors for RAS w/o JPs...etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It's a solid book for sure. It'd be damned near perfect if: -Tacticals could buy CCWs at 1 pt per model. -Baals had stayed as FA. -The Flesh Tearer det used Red Thirst instead of Explosion of Bloodlust as its special rule. Because it really is just flat-out inferior. -Overcharged engines were not mandatory on Rhinos and Razorbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Hey guys I'm reading through the codex right now and I noticed they changed tycho a bit. He now has a 18 inch combi melta. Have my first game today with the new book in two years. Wish me luck. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice. I have 3 normal preds and 3 Baals. I don't even have a special detachment that allows me to use them all together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Baals losing scout was a big knock. Guess they just don't want us putting our baals on the line... Or maybe it's Geordie Dante who's to blame; I heard a rumour he told the Silent King to "Listen marra, get yer hands off me baals or me n' the lads will wipe yor shiny heed aall ower the flooer", but perhaps it was false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice. I have 3 normal preds and 3 Baals. I don't even have a special detachment that allows me to use them all together If you area isn't against double cad then you could always do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice. I have 3 normal preds and 3 Baals. I don't even have a special detachment that allows me to use them all together If you area isn't against double cad then you could always do that. Allies are pretty much banned, so nevermind double CAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronhour Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice. I have 3 normal preds and 3 Baals. I don't even have a special detachment that allows me to use them all together <_<If you area isn't against double cad then you could always do that. Allies are pretty much banned, so nevermind double CAD. And that's the problem, the game isn't meant to be played that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Tycho losing his CC gear was such a huge pity though :/ I was a little miffed about the Baals too, but eh, it's not like I even own one to sacrifice.I have 3 normal preds and 3 Baals. I don't even have a special detachment that allows me to use them all together If you area isn't against double cad then you could always do that. Allies are pretty much banned, so nevermind double CAD. And that's the problem, the game isn't meant to be played that way. This ^ Cant really help if your group makes their own rules as influenced by previous editions. This isn't 6th anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah the game is all about detachments now - and a good thing too, it offers loads of flexibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah the game is all about detachments now - and a good thing too, it offers loads of flexibility! It also adds a lot of complexity. By the way, update your blog! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It also adds a lot of complexity. I thought so too but now I've got my head around it I think it's pretty cool :P By the way, update your blog! :P I'm busy building things for an upcoming game, updates soon! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 TBH, I'm glad it's that way. The monstrosities you can build using multiple detachments... *shudders* The only problem is that it severely limits access to a lot of fun units like Inquisitors or Assassins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 TBH, I'm glad it's that way. The monstrosities you can build using multiple detachments... *shudders* The only problem is that it severely limits access to a lot of fun units like Inquisitors or Assassins. Well that is true anyway here of jy2s pentyflyrant list. Basically 5 tyranids flying hive tyrants it's disgusting. Also played that first game with blood angels I ended up in my first apocalypse game and of course the blood angels fought there.the game was imperial vs non imperials. The battle was epic with 4 primarchs there and the mechanicus. Horus fought alongside death company which was strange and horus was taken down by abadon. I ended up deep striking my army becuase is needed to reinforce our flank. I forgot how fun blood angels are and assualt with then feels kinda like easy mode after playing templars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It also adds a lot of complexity. I had that too, but once you get it you will probably feel ashamed for thinking it was so complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 TBH, I'm glad it's that way. The monstrosities you can build using multiple detachments... *shudders* The only problem is that it severely limits access to a lot of fun units like Inquisitors or Assassins. I used to think that too, but then I realized that the worst army lists out there were daemons and eldar (they don't need allies at all them buggers). Just build some list and compare it with a regular CAD eldar/daemon army, and if you think you will beat those regularly, you may have found an overpowered list ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I used to think that too, but then I realized that the worst army lists out there were daemons and eldar (they don't need allies at all them buggers). Just build some list and compare it with a regular CAD eldar/daemon army, and if you think you will beat those regularly, you may have found an overpowered list ;P Fair point about Eldar and Daemons, but Tau get much worse when you can spam Riptides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Admetus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Clearly not many people have seen the filth that That_One_Marshal alluded to above... Pentyrant list is filthy. The problem's players rather than systems - for every two or three players that use multiple detachments/allies to get a fun, fluffy list (allied Inquisitor, Imperial Guard Planetary Defence Force shored up by a small but valued contingent of Raven Guard, A sorcerer heavy CSM list with some summoned daemons) someone takes it as an excuse to bust out their quadruple Riptide/5 hive tyrant/Adamantium Lance/4 Wraithknight list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Clearly not many people have seen the filth that That_One_Marshal alluded to above... Pentyrant list is filthy. The problem's players rather than systems - for every two or three players that use multiple detachments/allies to get a fun, fluffy list (allied Inquisitor, Imperial Guard Planetary Defence Force shored up by a small but valued contingent of Raven Guard, A sorcerer heavy CSM list with some summoned daemons) someone takes it as an excuse to bust out their quadruple Riptide/5 hive tyrant/Adamantium Lance/4 Wraithknight list... Am I the only one who wants to see a pacific rim type battle between knights and tons of nids monsters. Or knights vs wraith knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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