EnterRehab Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Does the Liber Demonica count as a dice roll from the standard selection of powers? Hard to explain, so I'll extrapolate. I take a librarian PML3 w/ Liber Demonica: Roll 3 times on Sanctic. Could I then use the Demonica to gain an extra power from Divination, for instance- and still get the primaris from the Sanctic tree? Not sure if It counts as standard manifestation of psyker powers, or if it's own special rule for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The liber requires you to take that last power from sanctic. as soon as you generate a power from someplace else, you lose the primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3899699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 The liber requires you to take that last power from sanctic. as soon as you generate a power from someplace else, you lose the primaris. The liber makes you take it from the same tree? Or is that only to gain the Primaris? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3899701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Dominica states you MUST take it from sanctic. Rule book states when you take a spell from a second table you lose your primaris BUT you may exchange one spell for the primaris in each table Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3899747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Dunno why you'd ever want 'Banishment'. It's literally useless against everything bar Daemons. Generally speaking, if you're taking the Liber, just roll everything on Sanctic. The only reason you'd be doing that is to fish for 'Gate' and 'Sanctuary', as none of the other powers you need (as they come standard on our infantry). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3899770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicman Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Dunno why you'd ever want 'Banishment'. It's literally useless against everything bar Daemons. Generally speaking, if you're taking the Liber, just roll everything on Sanctic. The only reason you'd be doing that is to fish for 'Gate' and 'Sanctuary', as none of the other powers you need (as they come standard on our infantry). Nah, as the Libby is with the terminators and the terminators are NSF and NSF DS turn one into the thick of it and as the thick of it will have lots of enemy units, I also gladly take an extra cleansing flame on the libby. And vortex, hey why not. If only bansishment would be better.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3900036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul29 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 If banishment was -1 invuln to EVERYONE, it would be awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3900798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Nah, as the Libby is with the terminators and the terminators are NSF and NSF DS turn one into the thick of it and as the thick of it will have lots of enemy units, I also gladly take an extra cleansing flame on the libby. And vortex, hey why not. Take Purifiers in an Allied drop pod instead. If banishment was -1 invuln to EVERYONE, it would be awesome! But then we'd actually hard-counter the stupid xenos units ruining the game right now. And that wouldn't be in keeping with GW's marketing strategy (ie sell monster and vehicle kits to every faction, especially xenos). Imagine if we could reduce 'Forewarning' on SeerStar, or Riptide free storm shield... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3901007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul29 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 If we had that, we could counter everything and be much more viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3901318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Well, strictly speaking not everything, as some armies don't have invul saves at all, or aren't concerned with them (Tyranids for example). I miss the days when our old psycannons just ignored invul saves flat out. It was rarely a powerful ability, but it sometimes was relevant (back when Bikes going turbo mode turned their armour save into an invul). I like having psycannons being the workhorse weapon option. I guess I'd take psilencers forcing re-rolls to invul or something of that nature. It would at least elevate them beyond 'useless except on Dreadknights, and only with 'Force' turned on as well'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3901770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I think the intention was... take all powers from divination, gain the primaris, then apply the rule from liber daemonica and get an extra power from sanctic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 By taking the Liber Daemonica you are effectively swapping the primaris on another table for a roll on Santic, not a bad trade off really. If you take all of your powers from Santic then you have the Santic's Primaris too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul29 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 But we don't care about the primaris 14/15 times we play the game against an army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Even if we did want the primaris power, we could still just swap for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Which is why it's not a bad trade off Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I think the intention was... take all powers from divination, gain the primaris, then apply the rule from liber daemonica and get an extra power from sanctic. Which isn't legal. Once you generate even a single power (via any means) from a different lore, you lose the free Primaris. GW are very clear about that in the Psychic phase section of the rulebook. As I mentioned earlier, the Liber is for people fishing for 'Gate' and 'Sanctuary' on a Librarian. If you wanna take mixed powers or mainly Divination, don't bother with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3902546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300960-pretty-sure-its-not-legit-but-ill-ask-anyway/#findComment-3904333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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