GM Loadout...

[calvin the wraithlord]

I disagree, Calvin. You buy the falchions as a pair, not each blade individually, this you would have to replace them as a pair

 

Normally i would agree but the way that it is worded leaves it up to debate, sorry ment to reply to this in the last comment pc is acting up

[raverrn]

 

 

"A model can replace its Melee weapon with one of the following"

 

Exactly, you have 2 Falchions nowhere does it say you cant replace one with another weapon, again like i said, its not really legit and i have honestly never used it ( never really have the spare points ) all im saying is it can be done and in comparison to other armies little loopholes it really isent that game breaking

In this case, falchions should give +2A, but no... we are clear that "pair of falchions" are a single weapon.

Read the 7th book, not the 5th one.

 

"Two Nemesis Falchions" is very totally clearly not one melee weapon.

[Zeratul29]

To me, the, "A model can replace it's melee weapon with ONE of the following". Sounds petty clear we can take one option only.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Read the 7th book, not the 5th one.

 

"Two Nemesis Falchions" is very totally clearly not one melee weapon. 

 

But its only one option. And you only get to swap your sword once. Not twice. 

[Ishagu]

If only there was an Eternal Warrior relic...

[Reclusiarch Darius]

We can't all be vanilla Marines ;) besides we get Draigo, he's better. 

[DDaley60]

I try to think of it as GW would have intended... I doubt a GM trucking around with a falchion in one hand, hammer in the other with a psycannon blazing and a cuirass is what they had in mind when they wrote it. I might buy something along the lines that if you dont take a special weapon then yes or some type of relic but as of now no. Maybe one day we'll get a new faq...

[Wrath of Humanity]

This is absurd, its one way or the other. Its like saying ill have a hammer in one hand and a halberd in another hand.  You can't have both. End of argument.

[raverrn]

This is absurd, its one way or the other. Its like saying ill have a hammer in one hand and a halberd in another hand.  You can't have both. End of argument.

 But a Hammer and a Lightning Claw? That's kosher.

 

While driving a motorcycle, no less.

 

Edit: Halberds are Two-Handed, so i suppose if we were talking about that, you'd be right. But we're not, so thanks.

 

Double-edit: It's true that the list specifies that you replace a melee weapon with 'one of the following', but the GKGM entry says he may take items (plural) from the lists, implying that the 'one of' wording is a per choice, anf that the GM can make more than one choice. As the melee weapon list goes out of it's way to give you the option to replace any melee weapon (as opposed to the ranged weapons lists, which require you to sup a Storm Bolter specifically) It's pretty clear this isn't a simple loophole. Stating that a model could replace his Nemesis Greatsword with one of the following would have been SIMPLER than what GW put and not changed anything a whit.

 

The wording as it stands allows multiple weapon swaps, and indeed seems worded specifically to allow it.

[Captain Coolpants]

I believe that it doesn't actually clearly define how many times you can swap.

Because it says choose "one of the following" , not 'one of the following *once*'

 

Although I personally believe that you buy them as a pair, so can only be used as a pair, it's only my opinion though. And if his gaming group allows it, the crack on! And have fun.

 

 

Because let's be honest.... It's not as bad as a hammer/fist in one hand.... Then a Lightning claw in the other.... Whilst riding a bike... Means he'd be steering with his feet or elbows or something.

 

Edit. 234pts for a GM with the cuirass, hammer, falchion and psycannon.

 

215pts for a chapter master, bike, artificer armour, hammer and claw.

 

The master has no force or powers, but instead has an extra wound, extra toughness, re-roll wounds while using the claw, is relentless, and moves much faster, also gets a cool one use large blast orbital strike... All for 18pts less.

[jeffersonian000]

One is cheating, the other is just being a douche. I'd rather not cheat, nor encourage others to cheat. Let the douches be douches. If you want to play a super friends CM on bike, then play Space Marines. Our Dex does things differently, like gives our GM the chance to Gate and drop D-plate.

 

SJ

[EnterRehab]

How is this even being debated?

 

They make rules for this, as discussed with using the relic bolter instead of the standard bolter on the Librarian.

 

You must first take the bolter, it's a 5pt upgrade.  Then you may upgrade THAT for (15?) points.  It articulates ways to upgrade upgrades.

 

Also, the rule does articulate you may replace your sword with the following, not falchions.

[raverrn]

That's why it says "melee weapon" and not "Greatsword".

 

You can argue intent all you like, but don't lie.

[tomsev]

Wouldn't say greatsword any way, they are for NDK's only, its sword for everyone else...

 

And what if them cunning space marine techmarines put the accelerator on a pedal under a foot... Just saying, it is 38 000 years in the future... Hell they could even have geneticly modified racoons piloting them under a secret hidden panel...

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Are we still stuck on this stupid not even powerful combo? Raverrn, read the rules. You get to swap once for your melee weapon. It says so right above the armoury entry for them in the codex. Marines can swap their bolt pistol and/or chainsword, hence they can take two selections, one in each hand. We don't get the same wording, hence we only swap once.