Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Are they still viable? For you guys running fluffy competitive lists, are you running the ones you fashioned after the Great Companies you like the most, or the ones that are the most competitive to play.I really want to have my main list be a Ragnar Blackmane drop list, but, I'm not sure how well heavy troop lists do in 7th edition.I have a feeling though, that the only way fluffy lists are really going to work is if we ally in somewhere which I really don't want to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Are they still viable? For you guys running fluffy competitive lists, are you running the ones you fashioned after the Great Companies you like the most, or the ones that are the most competitive to play. I really want to have my main list be a Ragnar Blackmane drop list, but, I'm not sure how well heavy troop lists do in 7th edition. I have a feeling though, that the only way fluffy lists are really going to work is if we ally in somewhere which I really don't want to do. How competitive are we talking? GT winning level? Forget it. Regular Tournament level? Possibly. In your community? I do not see why not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3902717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Definitely not big tounraments, local tournaments and community games... occasional bragging right battles between friends!Immer, are there any fluff lists you particularly like to play? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3902817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I create my own fluff. Besides, I am virtually incapable of playing anything not optimized. It was lost on me the moment I started thinking towards tournaments. I am trying to regain that skill. Edit: There is the pure TWC + Fenrisian Wolves list and pure Dread list that I enjoyed well enough. I am now looking into it myself and trying stuff like Ragnar Bloodclaw spam, Tempestas stuff with Njal and other psychers. If your skills are good enough, you will perform well with any list ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3902843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Depends on your interpretation of 'fluffy'. I played yesterday with a list that was, to me, fluffy. I had a load of drop pods falling from the sky, 3-TWC lead by a WGBL on a TWM. Troops were made up of BCs & GHs and I had a Lone Wolf. I also allied in a Knight Titan. I know you don't want allies, but bear with me. This is how I saw the game: Mission: Purge the Alien. I was up against 'crons & Eldar. They've invaded an Imperial world and the Wolves came in to save the day! The Knight was from a house based on the planet in the first place and was sent to defend their homeland. To me, this works. To me, this is fluffy. And (especially after winning 12VPs-3VPs) to me, this is very competitive! My 2p! Marv Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3902922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think just about any of the crazy army combos can be jammed into a fluffy backstory. I've seen some crazy stuff on the table. Yesterday a guy at my FLGS was fielding Nids/AM. I asked if he even had a story to justify that ridiculous combo and he said that the guardsmen had been subverted by a brood lord and now fight for it. But as to your original question, fluffy lists suffer in 7th because there are people out there who spend a large amount of energy and time to pour through every bit of the codices to squeeze every little advantage that they can out of it. Enter the Death Stars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3903292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain21 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Well am/nibs wouldn't be too big of a deal imho, it's called genestealer cults. Anyway I think wolves can be competitive and fluffy it all just depends on what fluff you want to use since there are really 12 companies and all fight different and each could build an army that will come up as "fluffy" if based off of one of those designs. The problem being that certain ones will have more power. But what it will all really boil down to in the end is your playstyle and ability. Though I think you should always play with what you enjoy, I mean if you just love a unit better find a was to include it even if it is in the best, and if you really hate a unit find something else to fI'll the role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3903309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I play a lot of fliers, now bear with me I know we are supposed to like fighting with both feet on the ground. But, I use fliers in place of tanks, because my list is almost entirely deep striking. I have a couple of storm talons that pull double duty as Stormtalons/LS Tempests. If I want to run the stormtalon models but no fliers, I use them as tempests, they do well enough to justify the differences. My objective is to hit the board first turn and kill everything he loves. Then my second wave comes in to finish the job. According to my lore, I have stormtalons and stormravens that were salvaged from a destroyed Iron Hands strike force. I have tons of fast moving vehicles, and drop pods, to get to the fight quickly. Once my great company makes planetfall and establishes a beachhead, they bring down the rhinos, razorbacks, and land raiders. If they need to get somewhere fast, they hop in the fliers and move out. I built my army around the air assault strategy, hitting hard and fast with infantry and air support. With reserves the way they are, it makes it a difficult army to play, but it's much fun. I've won 2 of 3 games with this concept so far. I make my own fluff because it's fun and gets my creativity working, and because My game is all about my dudes, not Logan's dudes, or Farsight's dudes, or Anrakyr's dudes. That and it lets me reconcile my armies for apoc games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3904004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisWolf Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I play a lot of fliers, now bear with me I know we are supposed to like fighting with both feet on the ground. To me this is retconned bs from GW. Logan and every other Great Wolf all the way back to Russ himself would use whatever works militarily. These were and are supposed to be military geniuses. To throw away air superiority is just plain ignorant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3904045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Bro, they put the ground into the flyers. That way they have their feet where they belong. Being SW is all about being imaginative ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3904066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I agree completely, that to overlook anything that provides a tactical advantage, simply because it unnerves you, is stupid. My dad, bless him, is a bit of a victim of such thinking. He can't understand why you'd want to jump out of an air plane into battle. Why not simply fly into battle (Dad was a fighter pilot). Now militarily he understands that it is a valuable tactic, just not one in which he would chose to participate. So it boils down to: GW says, "Space wolves go into battle with their feet on the ground as Russ intended, if the Emperor wanted them to fly, he'd have given them wings." While We say, "That silly why would they overlook airpower?" "Because grimdark..." Now we're back to flying, and teleporting and shenanigans. I like the new Wolves. So tactically flexible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301105-fluffycompetitive-lists-in-7th/#findComment-3904087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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