Moonstalker Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 So do you think that means they will be rapid firing auto cannons then? Like the predator? 8 twin linked auto cannon shots (at I presume BS5) is still nothing to sniff at. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. I mean, its got those huge ammo feeds and hoppers compared to the fairly small magazines on the Contemptor. That says, to me, we might see some kind of rate of fire increase. Either way, rifleman dreadnoughts are a thing anyway, I wouldn't be too put out if they're just standard autocannons. So long as the points cost reflects that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'd laugh my ass off when they price it cheaper than the contemptor to reflect that it doesn't have a CCW :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The only thing rules wise I'm hoping for with this new dread is an extra hull point to represent its increased resiliency the design and bulk of its frame suggests. AV 14 would be too much, but that extra point would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That would make it on par with a land raider though, correct? I feel the same in that it should be a teeny bit tougher than a normal contemptor, but 4hp seems a bit much. If only there was a way to give it 3.5 hull points... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yeah, you're right. 4 hp would put it on with a Land Raider. In hindsight then maybe turning penetrating hits into glances on a 4+ or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Could make it like the Chaos Contemptor. 4++ against glances, 6++ against pens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Or give it the option for Armored Ceramite? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Contemptors already have atomantic shielding for a 5++/6++ invuln do they not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Aye, but the Chaos version is (mostly) better. Or maybe something like -1 on the damage chart against it. Or on a 4+ it becomes a canoe for Autek Mor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Perhaps it's just a sensor suite containing the anti-air stuff, and doesn't actually result in increased armour, similar to how a nose cone containing radar kit on aircraft doesn't make armour any more protected? It could be that which represents it gaining Interceptor, for example, as a rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3917655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Crosspost from News: http://i.imgur.com/7V2RLA6.jpg I did a quick comparison with the contemptor, using the base size as the common reference point. The size difference between them is quite small, the Deredeo sure counts as 'largest,' but not by much. This won't be a superheavy as some of you have hoped or anything close to it. I also think those are regular autocannons on the arms - you can see how similar they are to the ones on the standard contemptor. The sicaran barrels are thicker and have more cowling on them, so I think we can safely put the rumor/hope that they're accelerator autocannons to bed. Yeah, that's what I thought originally. However, when you look at the autocannons' muzzles, there are three indentations at the end, rather than the normal four, as seen on the contemptor next to it. The only autocannons we've seen that have the same muzzles are the Sicaran's accelerator autocannons - there's also a slight disparity between these autocannons' barrel length & width and the contemptor's too - okay the accelerator autocannons on the Sicaran have more cowling & a larger body, but that might be as much to do with their mounts on the turret & the ammunition system than anything else. Obviously we can't yet say for certain one way or the other, it's just that the from the base of the barrel onwards, they're basically identical to the Sicaran's autocannons. Personally, I'd prefer it if these were normal autocannons (OP much?) but for those of you frothing at the mouth for the idea of 2 twin-linked accelerator autocannons, don't loose hope just yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3918732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Every time I look at the pictures of this dread a magnificent symphony of dakka plays in my head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3918746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Crosspost from News: http://i.imgur.com/7V2RLA6.jpg I did a quick comparison with the contemptor, using the base size as the common reference point. The size difference between them is quite small, the Deredeo sure counts as 'largest,' but not by much. This won't be a superheavy as some of you have hoped or anything close to it. I also think those are regular autocannons on the arms - you can see how similar they are to the ones on the standard contemptor. The sicaran barrels are thicker and have more cowling on them, so I think we can safely put the rumor/hope that they're accelerator autocannons to bed. Yeah, that's what I thought originally. However, when you look at the autocannons' muzzles, there are three indentations at the end, rather than the normal four, as seen on the contemptor next to it. The only autocannons we've seen that have the same muzzles are the Sicaran's accelerator autocannons - there's also a slight disparity between these autocannons' barrel length & width and the contemptor's too - okay the accelerator autocannons on the Sicaran have more cowling & a larger body, but that might be as much to do with their mounts on the turret & the ammunition system than anything else. Obviously we can't yet say for certain one way or the other, it's just that the from the base of the barrel onwards, they're basically identical to the Sicaran's autocannons. Personally, I'd prefer it if these were normal autocannons (OP much?) but for those of you frothing at the mouth for the idea of 2 twin-linked accelerator autocannons, don't loose hope just yet. Good break down. For me the strongest evidence for those cannons being accelerator autocannons is the belt-fed ammunition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3918905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This reminds me of Tau walkers more than Astartes. I really don't like them. I mean who would let a Whirlwind, Sicaran and Contemptor have sex? So irresponsible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3918943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I really don't think they're sicaran accelerator cannons. They look nothing like them. In fact they look exactly like normal autocannons. That doesn't entirely seem to fit though with the longer barrels and huge ammo feeders, so I'm putting my money on them being like predator autocannons, which are heavy 4. Accelerator cannons would just be too much though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3918992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Maybe a Reaper Autocannon Battery (as in the Fire Raptor one)? Although the 3 tiered muzzle brake is different from the four tiered. However, the similarity between the Autocannons is that Also, it's got quite a weight to pull behind the Mortis - S7 isn't exactly that much better than S6 Rending due to Rending's ability to hit AV14 targets and take down SH flyers like Thunderhawks, and the rumoured Warhawk Pattern Stormbird (there are two patterns of Stormbird mentioned in Conquest - the smaller Warhawk and the heavy Condor pattern). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A quick photoshop job for anyone thinking about doing something to make the body a little more 40k-esque. http://i.imgur.com/O1lSUbS.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 ...Until I actually see one painted / get my hands on one, that Photoshop actually looks pretty great... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Um... I'm pretty sure Kitwulfen is onto something. That actually looks pretty awesome. The legs don't look quite like they match, but I prefer something like that myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Kit... Can you photoshop a contemptor torso on there??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Kit... Can you photoshop a contemptor torso on there??? Sure. http://i.imgur.com/mRu93Ub.jpg I think that's one you'd have to puzzle out a little more with the pieces in hand. The heavy flamers/heavy bolters are the torso would need some kind of accommodation made for them, and you might have to put together some new, thicker lower-abdomen section to get it to mate up right with the hips. I like the box look more. You can probably fab that up with some plasticard instead of having to butcher two dreadnoughts for it, and the boxy dreadnoughts have always needed more leg to them to make them look properly proportionate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 That's the only way I've seen that ive liked the boxy Dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hmm: deredeo+dark angels plasma storm battery=evil, joyful laughter from all the da players of the world? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You know it could be a new standard of autocannon, maybe one that incorporates elements of the sicaran? Either way I'm excited as heck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Hmm: deredeo+dark angels plasma storm battery=evil, joyful laughter from all the da players of the world? Depends if they Glance themselves to death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301133-new-dreadnaught-coming/page/5/#findComment-3919809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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