Morik Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Hello everyone, I currently own a space marine tactical box, and a space wolves pack box, and i want to make them all SW. As its going to be a while before i buy enough units to make a full playable army, i decided to focus on playing heralds of ruin kill team, so i have 20 models (10 tacticals 10 SW pack that i can combine) and im thinking if building them up something like this: 11 grey hunters (8 bolters,1 plasma,1 melta,1 flamer), 5 blood claws, 4 special characters (wold lord, WGBL, Rune priest, wolf priest, PA Lone wolf etc.) do you guys have any tips to get the most out of 20 models, (what weapon combinations are the most useful), and also any modeling tips on what parts to use on the special characters to make the look cool, like using the shoulder pad with the nubs from the tactical box on the wolf priest sees like a good idea, but what should i use for the helmet, the wolf/rat helmets im saving up for a unit of jump pack WG (skyguard) Also, do space wolves use the aquilas on their chest of their power armour? or are they like black templars who dont? Thank you for your help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 If you look closely, some of the chest plates on the SW have the head/body of the aquila replaced by a gem. A little green stuff will do magic. In the dark and distant past of 3rd edition, marines came in only one box, and it was the paint that made them different. Use bronze and gold for the aquila, and no one will question. You'll also get more torso pieces than you need in the SW box, so you can swap out any C:SM chest pieces you think you can't make wolfy enough. You'll also have a ton of weapon options with both boxes. I'd hold off on the HQ choices, and blood claws, and just make 20 straight grey hunters with special weapons. For one, it's a great foundation for a SW army, and for two, You can drop by one man in one of your squads and designate him as an HQ choice until you figure out what you like. Proxy as much as you can, right now to see what you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3904053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I agree with Ulrik entirely. The best thing would be to build all 20 as Grey Hunters. You can always proxy one as an HQ if you need to or play Kill Team games until you can acquire a dedicated HQ as you build your army from the solid foundation of two Grey Hunter Packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3904061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 After you're done building the units, you'll still have a ton of bits left over, so, Maybe you can get with some local players and see if they have any spare ,leg bits, or whatever you're missing, and you can try to build a lord out of spare bits. I did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3904079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyo ninja Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Bits store for a HQ unit. Work out what you want him to look like and and what bits you already have for him, then look on a bits store on eBay or one like bitsandkits.co.uk for the rest. It's cheaper than buying another box just to make HQ choices. I did this for my jump pack wolf priest and I think he was £10ish including postage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3904539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarog Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Thats what ive come to love from starting space wolves - the sheer amount of extra bits and bobs you get in the box. I had a fair few standard marines spare from my old army so wolfing them up was extremely easy, i think once theyve got a SW head and maybe a wolf skull or talisman on then they're good to go. Like someone mentioned previously, it's the paint job really that makes them stand out as different. Obviously if you decide to make a character like a wolf lord you can go to town and use all the best bits Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3904547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 so with the special weapons i got from the boxes would 16 bolter, 2 plamas, 1 melta and 1 flamer be a good build, i also have the option to build 1 of the 3 options for cobi weapons but i want to save the combis for mi terminators when i get them, should i build any GH with a melee weapon (PF, TH, PS, PA, FS, FA, LC, dual LC, etc.) S! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 so with the special weapons i got from the boxes would 16 bolter, 2 plamas, 1 melta and 1 flamer be a good build, i also have the option to build 1 of the 3 options for cobi weapons but i want to save the combis for mi terminators when i get them, should i build any GH with a melee weapon (PF, TH, PS, PA, FS, FA, LC, dual LC, etc.) S! Two plasmas is fine, but it would be better to go 2 flamers or 2 meltas than one of each. See if you can trade bits with someone. However shouldn't you have 3 plasmas? I thought the Grey Hunter box came with two plasma guns and the Tactical Box should also have one. A plasma and melta combo would be better than melta and flamer. As for special cc weapons for Wolf Guard Pack Leaders Power Fists and Thunder Hammers are fine because they already have an extra attack, but for standard Grey Hunters I'd suggest a Power Sword or Power Axe, rather than replace both weapons with dual wolf claws and lose out on your ranged weapons, by taking an axe or sword you get some extra potency in cc for relatively little and get a bonus +1 attack for pairing the weapon with a bolt pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I generally dislike taking the special CCW's on grey hunters because it jacks the cost up, and I trade range for an extra attack, or I trade assault for range. I just don't care for it. It's nice to have, but I'd rather keep the unit inexpensive and take 9 chainswords and as many meltas as I can (2 melta guns+1 Combi-melta). On grey hunters I use CC defensively, that way I can maximize the shooting time I have which is where grey hunters really shine. Grey Hunters are not one of our great melee units. You really want wolf guard for close combat, because I've seen a shooty unit of wolfguard wreck a unit of Deathwing hammernators in close combat with chainswords, just by sheer weight of attacks. Grey hunters shine at mid range combat, use that to whittle down the opponent until they're in charge range, then wait for them to charge, so you get your rapid fire overwatch, and if they make their charge they should be manageable. If they don't, shoot them with bolt pistols instead of boltguns, then charge in and lay waste to the whatever is left. (don't go to CC unless you outnumber your opponent, at least with grey hunters). I hope this helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 However shouldn't you have 3 plasmas? Yes you are correct, but i want to avoid taking plasma guns as they seem to expensive and seem like they blow up most of the time. I'd rather keep the unit inexpensive and take 9 chainswords 9 chainsword? should it not be 10? who is not getting a chainsword? the GH boc came with 8 chainswords, should i model my GH with chainswords or should i save the bits for future blood claws? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 He's saying take 9 Hunters with 2 specials and 9 chainswords and a Wolf Guard Pack Leader with matching combi with a pistol or chainsword. The WGPL doesn't get a third weapon. If you plan to always pay for the chainsword you can model your Hunters with pistol and chainsword and use as Hunters or Claws for now. I modeled mine like 3rd edition Hunters, one handing their bolter with chainsword in the other hand Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That's how some of my hunters are modelled. Most however are either test marines, or got modelled with just the boltgun. Most of my chainswords are on my BP/CS guys, since I dual use them as BC and PAWG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3905879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Most of my chainswords are on my BP/CS guys, since I dual use them as BC and PAWG. i was thinking of modeling all my claws without helmets, all my GH with helmets, and all my WG with the wolf helms, for easy identification at a glance, so duel use might not be a good option for me, im curious are the way your guys shoulder pads are painted, dont WG and BC look diferent? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There is a color scheme in the codex but it's optional. My troops all have red pauldrons, Wolf Priests have black, no painted Rune Priest at moment. Paint yours how you want them. My Claws will probably all be Skyclaws so they won't get mixed up with my Grey Hunters. I used TWC torsos for my PAWG, Pack Leaders get the wolf healm. Actually all my PAWG are pack leaders at the moment as I only have four. Here's an example. I'm not the best painter and fight with my spray primer. There is a second pack leader with his melta Pack in my gallery if your curios. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Not gonna lie, your wolves look amazing, is the grey color of their PA just primer? if you don't mind me asking how did you get so good at painting? i love the wolves head for the WG, i want to do a full pack on bike and jumpacks with wolves heads, my skyguard and swiftguard, id do my whole army with those if i could get enough of them. i personally like the more blue-grey colour you see in the codex, with yellow shoulder pads, but you are making me consider red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Someone else posted any army in similar scheme. While I liked the blue and was trying to follow the codex scheme I was not happy with my results. I decided to try the grey scheme a fellow member posted. I had better success with a variation of his method. Prime, coat of leadbelcher, nuln oil wash. Paint details desired colors, wash pelts/tails in agrax earthshade, wash rest of model in nuln oil again. The secret for me is a simple scheme, I don't highlight. This is quick and simple which is good for me as my hobby time is limited. If I could only outsmart my spray primer I'd be doing good. This model looks better than it should because of the small pic, he was primed rough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 i noticed your PAWG have wolf nozzles bits on the backpack, what box do those come in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Those are Sons of Thor backpacks from Kromlech. http://bitsofwar.com/home/49-sons-of-thor-backpacks.html The upgrade sprue has one but I'm not buying a sprue for each PAWG I make. Those packs are another bit I use to make my PAWG stand out. If looked for the pack but the only place I found it wanted $8 for each. http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Accessories-Frame Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I have to do some repainting, since I've decided to make my grey hunters dedicated. Right now my army is in various stages of painting, since some have come to me second hand, I need to go through and get them all up to the same point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 I have to do some repainting, since I've decided to make my grey hunters dedicated. Right now my army is in various stages of painting, since some have come to me second hand, I need to go through and get them all up to the same point. Any plans on specific configurations, specific paint squemes or particular bits you are going to use on your GH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I have quite a few test marines I got from somewhere, and there are quite a few GH that were built out of a bits box. As for paint, I'm going for the codex, russ grey base. I don't have a company colour yet, but I was thinking that the company pauldron would be plain blue. See, I didn't really think it through on the build and make the pauldrons match the pack. But it kinda goes with my lore, since uniformity is hard to maintain whilst attrition is a factor, and with them being very viking flavoured and all, personal heraldry is the guiding rule. The Huskarl (Wolf Guard) know who they are, and so does everyone else. I plan on making distinctive marks on each of my PAWG, runes on their armour, in various places, painted on knuckle plates, knee pads, pauldrons, shin guards, wherever I can put them. It also helps that they're the only ones modelled with stormbolters. As for grey hunters, they'll get pack markings wherever I can put them, pauldrons, knee, pads, knuckle plates. I don't plan on having a ton of uniformity, except with my terminators, and Long Fangs, since those are the veterans. But I'll paint some runes on them too. My blood claws will also get pack markings, and there will be more uniformity with them. I have ~10k of wolves that need painting, so It's going to be a while before I have a nice painted army to show off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 i was thinking of modeling all my claws without helmets, all my GH with helmets, and all my WG with the wolf helms, for easy identification at a glance, so duel use might not be a good option for me, im curious are the way your guys shoulder pads are painted, dont WG and BC look diferent? The Space Wolves maintain a system of squad markings very different from other Chapters. Each Pack has it's own unique symbol in the forms of dags, claws, pawprints, fangs and other symbols represented in two contrasting colors depending on the squad type. Blood Claws are yellow and red, Grey Hunters are red and black, Wolf Guard are black and yellow and Long Fangs are white and black. Of course you don't have to use that system if you don't want to, it's your army, but I use it and like how it makes different squads noticeably stand apart even from a distance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3907880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I plan on using the squad colour schemes to differentiate my packs, but I don't plan on having them be in a uniform place, at least not on all of my models, those I can make fairly uniform will be, those that I can't will get a different treatment. But grey hunters will have the red and black, blood claws will have the red and yellow, and wolf guard will have the yellow and black. Terminators will just have russ grey pauldrons with my company insignia. I just don't know what my company insignia will be yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3909284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I just don't know what my company insignia will be yet. One of the shoulder pauldron bits that come in the SW pack box that has a skull on it with fangs and a scroll of text underneath looks cool i think that's going to be my company marking, it reminds me of a jolly roger, and since my company is going to have a slight pirate theme/viking raiders it looks appropriate. its eithat that or ragnars insignia with diferent colours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3909358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 For now colours will be what differentiates my company from the others. That'll do for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301182-getting-the-most-out-of-2-boxes/#findComment-3909392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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