Grey Hunters special ccw's replace... I just noticed this.

[temneb]

Okay, this may have been discussed before but I just noticed it.

 

Your GH special ccw needs to swap either his bolter or bolt pistol for the power weapon or power fist.

 

So you either forfeit your rapid fire or your ability to fire and charge with that model.

 

Not huge or game breaking but I find it odd you can't swap a cww also.

[Frater Cornelius]

They do not have a CCW to swap. You can buy a CCW for 2pts per model, however, how can you swap gear for something you need to buy first? That is why you can only exchange Bolter and BP, it is what you already have ;)

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Yeah, it does kind of suck, but you have to trade something for that extra bit of killy. Powerfists and bolt pistols are great if you have a vehicle to trash, take some HP's off with meltas and charge in and give it the old donkey punch, tau style (the Tau have something called the Onager gauntlet, which is essentially a powerfist, but Onager means Wild Ass in latin. Hence the colourful name, and since it hits rear armour...). Anyway, I rarely take the special CCW, since I'm hoping to stay at range and eat the charge from a diminished enemy force.

[Frater Cornelius]

Yeah, it does kind of suck, but you have to trade something for that extra bit of killy. Powerfists and bolt pistols are great if you have a vehicle to trash, take some HP's off with meltas and charge in and give it the old donkey punch, tau style (the Tau have something called the Onager gauntlet, which is essentially a powerfist, but Onager means Wild Ass in latin. Hence the colourful name, and since it hits rear armour...). Anyway, I rarely take the special CCW, since I'm hoping to stay at range and eat the charge from a diminished enemy force.

 

Wild Ass? Why the blazes does it only get 1 single attack then? Oo

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Like I said, it's the donkey punch. It's basically the same as an MC doing a smash attack. Besides it's tau close combat, It's lackluster at best. but we're a little off topic. 

[Donkalleone]

Can you choose not to shoot with the bolter?if yes, i would choose bolter/pf or axe/pistol for the extra attack. Also going to buy ccw for at least these ones.

[Amarog]

Okay, this may have been discussed before but I just noticed it.

 

Your GH special ccw needs to swap either his bolter or bolt pistol for the power weapon or power fist.

 

So you either forfeit your rapid fire or your ability to fire and charge with that model.

 

Not huge or game breaking but I find it odd you can't swap a cww also.

you can still shoot and charge with a bolter, you just cant rapid fire. so you can shoot a single shot and then go in for the charge still

[Donkalleone]

 

Okay, this may have been discussed before but I just noticed it.

 

Your GH special ccw needs to swap either his bolter or bolt pistol for the power weapon or power fist.

 

So you either forfeit your rapid fire or your ability to fire and charge with that model.

 

Not huge or game breaking but I find it odd you can't swap a cww also.

you can still shoot and charge with a bolter, you just cant rapid fire. so you can shoot a single shot and then go in for the charge still

 

Nope, Thats Clearly wrong. You Cant Choose its Rapidfire or not. Only Assault weapons or Relentness Troops can Fire and Charge.

[Amarog]

 

 

Okay, this may have been discussed before but I just noticed it.

 

Your GH special ccw needs to swap either his bolter or bolt pistol for the power weapon or power fist.

 

So you either forfeit your rapid fire or your ability to fire and charge with that model.

 

Not huge or game breaking but I find it odd you can't swap a cww also.

you can still shoot and charge with a bolter, you just cant rapid fire. so you can shoot a single shot and then go in for the charge still

 

Nope, Thats Clearly wrong. You Cant Choose its Rapidfire or not. Only Assault weapons or Relentness Troops can Fire and Charge.

 

bolt pistols come as standard, even when you have a bolter equiped. same S and AP. single shot. charge. just you wont get +1 for extra close combat weapon. I was merely pointing out you can charge when you have a bolter, but its always better just to stick with a bolt pistol and ccw if you want the +1.

[Donkalleone]

You are wrong you cant Charge With Bolters unless you are Relentness. Either you have Pistols and Shoot with them or not.

[Amarog]

You are wrong you cant Charge With Bolters unless you are Relentness. Either you have Pistols and Shoot with them or not.

the RB says you cannot charge if you FIRED a rapid fire weapon. if you fire your pistol you're golden. all good.

edit - i was only pointing out that with a bolter equipped you can still charge ... as long as you dont fire with it. thats all. clearly a mis-understanding.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

If I were taking melee weapons on Grey Hunters I would take the bolter, close combat weapon and power axe. Sure, that guy can't shoot then charge but one bolt pistol shot won't make a difference.

[MeatGrinder]

This is one of the reasons I feel the codex is written poorly. What you can do however, in a similar way, is to replace their bolter with a plasma pistol, thus giving then two pistols, meaning you dont need to buy them a ccw, and you benefit from gunslinger.

[Malus Trux]

Never noticed this before. Well that's annoying. Replace the bolt pistol and designate him the squad grenadier. You lose 4" but it hits at S6 AP4 and you can still assault after. For kicks give him a power maul and say the guy is throwing it and it comes back like a poor man's Foehammer.