EnterRehab Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Okay.. so I did a bunch more research, and as it's written into the Nova special rule that falls under the witchfire rules, you can definitely use it when in close combat. Oh god, someone shoot me, I'm bringing it back up.. But hey, my local store all agreed that its totally legit, even if its brokenly unfair. I understood it as you couldn't manifest a witchfire at all in combat, but these rules allow for it. Kinda like if a rule said you can reroll rerolls, would you say that rule doesn't matter because it says in the main book that you can never reroll rerolls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Okay.. so I did a bunch more research, and as it's written into the Nova special rule that falls under the witchfire rules, you can definitely use it when in close combat. It doesn't say that. Read the entire sentence. It's talking about targeting and hitting models in close combat, not casting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Okay.. so I did a bunch more research, and as it's written into the Nova special rule that falls under the witchfire rules, you can definitely use it when in close combat. It doesn't say that. Read the entire sentence. It's talking about targeting and hitting models in close combat, not casting. Indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Okay.. so I did a bunch more research, and as it's written into the Nova special rule that falls under the witchfire rules, you can definitely use it when in close combat. It doesn't say that. Read the entire sentence. It's talking about targeting and hitting models in close combat, not casting. Indeed! I don't have my book on me (@ work). Thank god. My opponent knows a lot about the game, and when I described my intent (Gate of infinity out of melee combat then use CF) he described and read (must've been selectively) that I didn't have to exit melee combat to use CF. I was almost 100% confident that I read here that it definitely doesn't work that way, but I'm in no place to argue about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Here you go: A nova power automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within the psychic power’s maximum range, regardless of line of sight, being locked in combat, intervening models/terrain and so on. Otherwise, a nova is treated like a shooting attack, and indeed will have a profile like a ranged weapon. Only one unit that is within the power’s maximum range can attempt to Deny the Witch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Cheers. Thanks for the final clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 You missed this part Witchfire Witchfire powers are shooting attacks. Indeed, they are often referred to as psychicshooting attacks, and many have profiles similar to ranged weapons. Just like whenshooting a weapon, a Psyker must be able to see the target unit (or target point) andcannot be locked in combat if he wishes to manifest a witchfire power. Nova are witchfire powers. so... don't... sorry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 You missed this part Witchfire Witchfire powers are shooting attacks. Indeed, they are often referred to as psychic shooting attacks, and many have profiles similar to ranged weapons. Just like when shooting a weapon, a Psyker must be able to see the target unit (or target point) and cannot be locked in combat if he wishes to manifest a witchfire power. Nova are witchfire powers. so... don't... sorry That's what I've been arguing the entire time. (Against using CF in combat) but I was corrected in a practice match. Thanks for making sure I wasn't wrong initially. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It doesn't matter what DOES a power (NOVA), perhaps HOW IT DOES... to make a NOVA you must follow the rules of WITCHFIRE ... and is in this rule the reason you can't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3904411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think we've answered OP's question here. In future please read the rules more carefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301202-oh-god-not-cleansing-flame-again/#findComment-3905086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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