Token Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Does an avarage Citizen or Another chapter know that the Space Wolves excist? Being one of the first legions, i Think they would be more known then a later founding chapter. But would people know where Fenris is? Most Imperial Citizens havent even seen a space marine, right? Comments and info are appreciated. Please excuse any Spelling or grammar mistakes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Does an avarage Citizen or Another chapter know that the Space Wolves excist? Being one of the first legions, i Think they would be more known then a later founding chapter. But would people know where Fenris is? Most Imperial Citizens havent even seen a space marine, right? Comments and info are appreciated. Please excuse any Spelling or grammar mistakes. The legends of the Space Wolves, and of Logan Grimnar in particular, are known across the Imperium, on thousands of worlds. However there are a million worlds in the Imperium, many with no means of communicating with the wider empire, and the vast majority of Imperial citizens will never see a Space Marine in their lifetimes. Space Marines are legends, depicted on murals, propoganda posters, in statues and stained glass, preached about by the Ecclessiarchy (who obviously don't tout the Space Wolves much). Even those who know of the Space Wolves or who have witnessed them will certainly not know exactly where Fenris is, only captains and navigators looking at a chart would know where it is, and even they will be unlikely to ever visit the system, or even come close to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thanks for the info. Well written. What about other chapters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thanks for the info. Well written. What about other chapters? Some chapters like the Ultramarines are as well or better known than the Wolves, Ultramar is a prosperous realm within the greater Imperium and Macragge a site of Pilgrimage for billions. Other chapters like the Carcharadons Astra were thought to be a myth until they reappeared during the Badab War, and others like the Raven Guard are purposefully aloof and distant. Still others like the Flesh Tearers and Marines Malevolent are outright feared and/or reviled by the populace at large, their reputation for bloody-handed disregard for collateral damage well known. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ah, i ment, does other chapters know of the Space Wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Wolves don't really care much about public relations, even where it involves the immediate vicinity of the Fenris system. Boastful as they are, they are more deeds before words kind of chapter, although Logan Grimnar is constantly said to be more well loved and respected as opposed to being feared. Well loved by who is a good question, I always interpreted it as those worlds which are near Fenris who will most likely have contact with Wolves. Due to the current protective policy of the Space Wolves, chances are they have a lot of goodwill generated around the galaxy. Still, The Imperium is an empire of a billion worlds, where even 1 million worlds constitutes only 0.1%. At worst, the Space Marines would be legends, at best, the world might have regular Space Marine patrols, so even knowing about Space Marines would be a rarity, let alone figure out which chapter they belong to. Heck, even Inquisitors get it wrong who they deal with. When it comes to the high levels of Imperial Guard and Navy though, I'm willing to bet most will know about the general reputation of Astartes, if not the specific details of each chapter. Especially if the regiments or fleets fought with them before. In regards to other Space Marine chapters, it's safe to say MOST of the successor chapters know about the original 9 loyal legions. And yes, that will include the Space Wolves which they should know by name, if not reputation. For the original 9, of course they would know of each other. Whether they respect each other is an entirely different matter. Wolves unfortunately made themselves unpopular by being non-codex compliant, therefore alienating from many codex complinant ones unless their chapter masters are open minded. Which actually many chapters are pretty reasonable and recognise underneath their crazy look and tactics, Wolves make the best allies. Then there's the old grudges some might have against each other. In a nut shell: Iron hands don't like Raven Guard and Salamanders due to the ill conceived notion that the two chapters weren't strong enough to win the Istvaan masacre White Scars and Ravenguard don't like each other because one likes to be fast and furious, whereas the other likes to be fast and sneaky. Considered a friendly rivalry though. Space Wolves vs Dark Angels - also considered rivals instead of enemies, due to their primarchs having a brawl started by Russ ages ago. Ultramarines and virtually all non-codex chapters - The smurfs tend to be arrogant and look down on them, even though their unorthodox doctrines maybe just as good if not better than Codex tactics. One thing for sure though, the Grey Knights and Red Hunters chapters are definitely on the Wolves poo list and vice versa. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ah, i ment, does other chapters know of the Space Wolves? Of course they do, the Space Wolves are one of the nine first founding chapters, responsible for the Scouring of Prospero, there's not likely a single one of the 1000 existing chapters that doesn't know about the Space Wolves. Some like them, some respect them, some abhor them, but all know of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ah, i ment, does other chapters know of the Space Wolves? Of course they do, the Space Wolves are one of the nine first founding chapters, responsible for the Scouring of Prospero, there's not likely a single one of the 1000 existing chapters that doesn't know about the Space Wolves. Some like them, some respect them, some abhor them, but all know of them. Not to forget the First War of Armageddon and the resulting conflict between the manly Wolves and the coward Inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Not to forget the First War of Armageddon and the resulting conflict between the manly Wolves and the coward Inquisition. Yea but then again some chapters wouldn't know about that, like the Carcharadons, the Mantis Warriors, whoever is busy guarding the Ghoul Stars. Chapters that haven't had much, if any, contact with the wider Imperium for a long time wouldn't be up on current events, and the 1st War wasn't that long ago, but I think EVERY chapter knows about Prospero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ah, so they are known, thanks. And the location of Fenris should also be common knowledge among space marine chapters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ah, so they are known, thanks. And the location of Fenris should also be common knowledge among space marine chapters? Certainly not common, but those having access to Imperial archives certainly know about it. SM are a shock trooper force and need to respond quickly to distress calls. Impossible to do without up-to-date information from the navigators. Fenris will be depicted on those star maps. However, how many Chapters have actually been there? Traitor 1kSons, Red Hunters and Grey Knights are the ones that come to mind. Very few indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 In one of the books one of the world eaters makes a jest that he had a warmer welcome on Fenris so I take it Pre heresy it was more visited . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3905313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I do not think that many if any Chapters of Marines or even Guard and the populace of the Imperium would know much about the 1st war for Armageddon. The risk of Chaos taint was deemed so bad that the Inquisition sterilised the surviving populace of Armageddon and sent them to work camps on distant planets, toilng until they died, the planet was the repopulated with people who had no idea of what had happened before. The Inquisition also tried to slay all of the Militarum forces who fought Chaos and alongside the Wolves & Grey Knights won the war, which is the straw that broke the camels back and led to the Inquisition warring with the Wolves. Grimnar would not allow this to happen, as the Militarum troops showed their bravery in battle and tried to protect the troops as they left the system. The Inquisition then spent months if not years hunting down these troops and fighting a war across the imperium against the Woves who were doggedly defending them and taking the fight to the Inquisition and its allies. This culminated in the Inquisition besieging Fenris, with the aid of the Grey Knights and the Red Hunters. In which Bjorn intervenes. Isuggest reading Emperors Gift by A D-B, good book. Also showed the Grey Knight leader as a bit of a Glory-Hound, and even the actions of the Inquisition were being questioned by the Grey Knights. Even some Inquisitors were concerned over the Lead Inquisitors actions (Fenrisian Inquisitor Annika, I think. Have no books with me, remembering from off the top of my head, so if anyone can confirm or deny what I am saying would be cool) The Wolves are known for past deeds and are widely known in legend to the people of the Imperium, (2nd & 3d wars of Armageddon for example) however they are rarely seen by many as like any other Space Marine, Wolves would not be called upon unless things were dire and were providing reinforcement to a beleagured planet/ system. Grinar is well loved because he gives respect where it is due, speaks plainly fights hard for the peole and he is not aloof like others, has charisma. I think either in the graphic novel Lone Wolves or an old WD 245 (I think) in the fluff bits the Guarsman has to consult a data slate and recognises the Space Wolves bcause it tells him Wolves wear grey power armour. There are also instances where the Imperial populace of a planet welcome in Chaos Marines, because as Marines are legends they cannot tell the tainted from the pure until it is too late (assuming th Chaos bunch aren't massively mutated or sporting human head trophies etc...) Also Grimnar gets on well with some Inquisitors, BillKings book "Blood Claw" is evidence of this I believe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301242-how-knowledable-are-the-imperium-of-the-wolves-excistance/#findComment-3912468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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