Ishagu Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 If a vehicle comes from reserve and the unit inside disembarks, can the disembarking unit be targeted by something with the Interceptor rule? I've heard arguments for and against this. What is the general consensus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaz431 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 It is the former, not the latter. The rule allows them to intercept the first thing to arrive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Where is this clarified? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Interceptor may be used against any unit that arrived from Reserve, it doesn't matter how they arrived. Nothing in the rule mentions order of arrival. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Where is this clarified? No where. End of movement phase. Any unit that: 1 - came in from reserves 2 - is in range 3 - is in line of sight can be fired at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Interceptor may be used against any unit that arrived from Reserve, it doesn't matter how they arrived. Nothing in the rule mentions order of arrival. This - at the end of the enemy movement phase pick one unit that has entered from reserves, and is in range and line of sight. EDIT - Ninja'd! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 That's all well and good then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Just out of interest, what were the reasons against? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 A few have argued that the unit inside isn't coming from reserve, but is coming from inside the pod... I argued that the pod and the unit inside are coming from reserve, which is certainly the case. The whole thing was dumb, but part of me was hoping some of it could be true. Nothing would make me happier than having a deepstrike that Tau can't deal with so easily... I only ever run a single pod, with a combat squadded Sternguard unit or a command squad inside. I've never used it against a Tau list in fear of their Interceptor so the issue hasn't really come up in my games... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3907408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 A few have argued that the unit inside isn't coming from reserve, but is coming from inside the pod... I argued that the pod and the unit inside are coming from reserve, which is certainly the case. Point them to the Combined Reserve Units section of the Reserves rule. "you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport vehicles in Reserve, in which case they will arrive together" They both arrive from reserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3908065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yep. The unit can be intercepted.. In my opinion that's stupid, intercepting something should be exactly that, INTERCEPTING!!! , I.e shooting at the pod on its way down... Not waiting for it to land... then wait a few for the doors to blow..... then wait a few more for them to gather their bearings/surrounding.... and then leave. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3912550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yep. The unit can be intercepted.. In my opinion that's stupid, intercepting something should be exactly that, INTERCEPTING!!! , I.e shooting at the pod on its way down... Not waiting for it to land... then wait a few for the doors to blow..... then wait a few more for them to gather their bearings/surrounding.... and then leave. And then how do you represent the unit managing to intercept said drop pod? By destroying the pod and having all occupants miraculously survive the crash? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3912658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Would be the same as a vehicle explodes result from the damage table? Wold be stupid to have the pod intercepted and killed, to have the guys completely unscathed.. That's IF the pod was even destroyed, could just take a hull point off and protect the squad like it's supposed to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3912678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 In my opinion that's stupid, intercepting something should be exactly that, INTERCEPTING!!! , I.e shooting at the pod on its way down... Not waiting for it to land... then wait a few for the doors to blow..... then wait a few more for them to gather their bearings/surrounding.... and then leave. That's usually indicated by the Reserve Roll failing to deliver. Currently, Interceptor is activatable only at the end of the Movement Phase, not in the middle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3912740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 That's how it's meant to work IN GAME to make it simple, but that's not how it's essentially meant to work. I know there is a separation between fluff and game play, but they could have made this more fluffy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3913111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 [of topic comments removed; sorry, Dam13n. I would say it will never happen againbut we both know THAT would be a lie ] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3913178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The OR is for discussions based on the rules as they are, not what anyone might want them to be. That's what the Homegrown Rules forum is for. So, lets keep this on topic please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3913225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeaky Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 A few have argued that the unit inside isn't coming from reserve, but is coming from inside the pod... I argued that the pod and the unit inside are coming from reserve, which is certainly the case. Point them to the Combined Reserve Units section of the Reserves rule. "you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport vehicles in Reserve, in which case they will arrive together" They both arrive from reserves. No it says they are embarked on the transport that arrives from reserves it's still a separate uint. Once disembarked acts separately, if you rolled for the transport and the uint you wished to embark in the transport to successfully arrive from reserve I could understand your argument but it's only the transport that actually arrives from reserves the uint is just piggy backing? If that makes sense but this is just how I am interepting it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 No it says they are embarked on the transport that arrives from reserves it's still a separate uint. Once disembarked acts separately, if you rolled for the transport and the uint you wished to embark in the transport to successfully arrive from reserve I could understand your argument but it's only the transport that actually arrives from reserves the uint is just piggy backing? If that makes sense but this is just how I am interepting it. So, you are saying that a unit put in Reserves and then leaves Reserves and enters the table ISN'T coming in from Reserves because it took a taxi? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspecti Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 No it says they are embarked on the transport that arrives from reserves it's still a separate uint. Once disembarked acts separately, if you rolled for the transport and the uint you wished to embark in the transport to successfully arrive from reserve I could understand your argument but it's only the transport that actually arrives from reserves the uint is just piggy backing? If that makes sense but this is just how I am interepting it. That would be same if you said that Assault Marines coming in from reserves don't arrive from reserves, it's their jump packs arriving and the Marines are just 'piggy backing'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeaky Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 No it says they are embarked on the transport that arrives from reserves it's still a separate uint. Once disembarked acts separately, if you rolled for the transport and the uint you wished to embark in the transport to successfully arrive from reserve I could understand your argument but it's only the transport that actually arrives from reserves the uint is just piggy backing? If that makes sense but this is just how I am interepting it. That would be same if you said that Assault Marines coming in from reserves don't arrive from reserves, it's their jump packs arriving and the Marines are just 'piggy backing'.No I only mentioned transports not infantry like jump uints or things like terminators. Which don't appear on the board in anything before they themselves are on the table. Please don't stretch the meaning of my words, it's merely an opinion as the words GW used are so vague I think work it out with your opponent before you start the game. Kristoff:- I suppose so.. Don't really get what you mean by leave and come back? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You start the game either on the table or in Reserves, and that's ironclad. So, if the transported models are off the table, they're in Reserves. They can't be put into Reserves, magically removed from the game, then magically appear on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Kristoff:- I suppose so.. Don't really get what you mean by leave and come back? Probably because that's not what I said: So, you are saying that a unit put in Reserves and then leaves Reserves and enters the table ISN'T coming in from Reserves because it took a taxi? In order to be put on the table after the game begins, a unit needs to be in Reserves. In order to then enter the table, it must leave Reserves. At which point, it then "comes in from Reserves". What you were saying is that because they rode something they never came from the place they just left. If I take an airplane from Phoenix to New york, did I just arrive from Phoenix or from an airplane? The answer is "both". Being on an airplane doesn't preclude me from not coming from Phoenix, if anything, it's the method whereby I traveled between Phoenix and New York. So, when a unit rides a Transport when it appears on the table after the game begins, it is STILL coming from Reserves just as much as if it walked on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 The section "Combined Reserve Units" on page 135 is pertinent to this. Namely "You must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport vehicles in reserve, in which case they will arrive together" Therefore, when any embarked unit arrives from reserve in their transport they have still "arrived from reserves" that turn as they "arrive together". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301346-interceptor-and-units-disembarking-from-a-vehicle/#findComment-3923884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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