Kol Saresk Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 It makes me feel so pretty knowing I can still surprise people. :D Note: That one was serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not sure if anyone posted this: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/40k-cult-chaos-marines-what.html From what it sounds like it could be is formations giving army-wide Chaos God dedications, which is cool but not exactly what I'd prefer, but getting Cult Terminators sounds pretty sweet! I'd love to have T5 FnP Terminators even if it is a formation! But as long as they get removed from our next Codex and then get put into supplements, I'm not worried about it. What I would expect is them getting rid of as far as relics go is the Dimensional Key, Murder Sword and Scroll of Magnus and then maybe changing some of the stats on the Ax (don't know why a MoK Lord would need Rage when he already gets it). Abaddon going to LoW. Marked Sorcerers and Demon Prince Psykers no longer forced to roll on patron's discipline, exactly like Demon Psykers. As said before, the Champion of Chaos rule gets changed to non-compulsory challenges and a simplified Boon table (Dark Apotheosis retains wargear). Teleport Homers for character upgrades and/or Icons turn into Teleport Homers (no reason why they removed it, so no reason to expect they wouldn't put it back in). Either Marks or VOTLW becomes an army-wide special rule. Heldrake's weapons are switched back to a turret or a wider degree of movement, maybe a rule change to its Vector Strike. Forgefiend with Skyfire. Price drop for Defiler. Warpsmith and Dark Apostle get access to Special Issue Wargear and Demonic Steeds. Chosen with Infiltrate or maybe Scout. Possessed and Warp Talons with Frag and Krak Grenades. Possessed and Spawn with new random table. Raptors with Infiltrate, Scout or Hit and Run. Maybe a new Helbrute variant. New Chaos Marine box, new Cultist box (10 instead of 5, with weapon options), Chosen box, new Havocs box, Mutilator/Obliterator box, new Spawn box (3 instead of 2, similar how they consolidated Ogryns from single packs to a 3 model box), and/or new Cult Marine boxes. I'm expecting at least one of those to come true. Now all the naysayers can despair on how any positive view of Chaos Space Marines getting a few good things is wrong. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 On a side note. I would like to see our Dark Apostle with a "blessing" table similar to the one of the Ministorum Priest of the Imperial Guard, or the Ethereal of the Tau. Roll a d3 (I think will suffice) and have one of the three "blessings" for a turn. One blessing for shooting, one for melee and one "awesome". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not sure if anyone posted this: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/40k-cult-chaos-marines-what.html Abaddon going to LoW. Marked Sorcerers and Demon Prince Psykers no longer forced to roll on patron's discipline, exactly like Demon Psykers. As said before, the Champion of Chaos rule gets changed to non-compulsory challenges and a simplified Boon table (Dark Apotheosis retains wargear). Teleport Homers for character upgrades and/or Icons turn into Teleport Homers (no reason why they removed it, so no reason to expect they wouldn't put it back in). Either Marks or VOTLW becomes an army-wide special rule. Heldrake's weapons are switched back to a turret or a wider degree of movement, maybe a rule change to its Vector Strike. Forgefiend with Skyfire. Price drop for Defiler. Warpsmith and Dark Apostle get access to Special Issue Wargear and Demonic Steeds. Chosen with Infiltrate or maybe Scout. Possessed and Warp Talons with Frag and Krak Grenades. Possessed and Spawn with new random table. Raptors with Infiltrate, Scout or Hit and Run. Maybe a new Helbrute variant. While this all sounds okay, it's mostly just common sense. A lot of this I'd categorize as 'missing' from the current codex, and not add ons.... stuff like grenades? Pricing issues with defunct stuff... etc. Removal of rules that made sense coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The heldrake won't be getting a boost. I imagine the flamer getting busted down to ap4. Why would Warp Talons get a buffed? They are actually very cheap for the Wargear they come with... No chance a Forgefiend would have Skyfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 ........ Warp Talons are cheap for just having lightning claws? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Two lightning claws are 30 points. Then you consider the jetpack and invul save... You get all this for under 30 points a model. Exactly how much should a Warp Talon cost when each one is equipped with Wargear costing more than the points for the entire model? They are fine as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Obviously why so many people run them competitively! A price drop would be a definite boon to them: otherwise, why take them over say Heldrakes or Bikes or Spawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Two lightning claws are 30 points. Then you consider the jetpack and invul save... You get all this for under 30 points a model. Exactly how much should a Warp Talon cost when each one is equipped with Wargear costing more than the points for the entire model? They are fine as they are. I think you forgot the points discount for having to take Champions of Chaos and always going last in combat when charging into terrain. That said, your expectations are probably as realistic as everyone else's, we'll have to wait and see what comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd be surprised if we didn't get a plastic Sorcerer model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the basic problem is that 15 pts is too high for a power weapon on a 1W model. (I would charge 5, perhaps.) But it's been standard for Marines for multiple editions, so I don't anticipate it changing. Two lightning claws are 30 points. Then you consider the jetpack and invul save... You get all this for under 30 points a model. Exactly how much should a Warp Talon cost when each one is equipped with Wargear costing more than the points for the entire model? They are fine as they are. I think you forgot the points discount for having to take Champions of Chaos and always going last in combat when charging into terrain. That said, your expectations are probably as realistic as everyone else's, we'll have to wait and see what comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 ........ Warp Talons are cheap for just having lightning claws? :huh: Maybe the Warp Dust from Ultramar is stronger? On a side note, these rumors on this page sound like a hotfix they should have faqed a while ago. Again, I'll believe it when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Let see what happens, the rumors are sounding interesting and actually a boost to our codex. But as we are chaos and not Space Marines, prepare the salt http://i.imgur.com/0cCCl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No reason not to believe Forgefiend getting Skyfire, it makes sense. Also why in the world would the Baleflamer go down to AP4?? Some of the things that I'm expecting aren't out of the question, what you've stated is much more likely not to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The Heldrake is currently our most OP unit. And in its comparatively short history, we've seen it go from good, to ludicrous, to nerfed. Currently, it is still a lynchpin for most armies. But, while I really really really do try and be optimistic, history shows us it is more likely to become more nerfed, or stay the same, before it is improved and made balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson85 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No reason not to believe Forgefiend getting Skyfire, it makes sense. As much as I would be ok with the model getting skyfire (anything really to make it have a purpose for existing in the codex), it won't happen in my opinion. Giving the model skyfire would make the ectoplasm build basically worthless (can't hit flyers with templates even if they sky fire). Giving the hades autocannons sky fire hurts their viability on the heldrake. If it got skyfire, it would need to be in some form of special rule I think, and I just don't see it happening. Whatever happens I just hope now that the design team (as opposed to individuals) are writing the codex that between the lot of them they can do the army justice. The last two books have been boring/bland to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You're implying people tale FFiends on some basis to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson85 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You're implying people tale FFiends on some basis to begin with? Who me? No they are pretty worthless in their current version, as I stated in my post. I'd be ok with them actually obtaining a useful role (ie buffing them or lowering costs..or both) to help with our internal balance (see also: mutilators, warp talons, etc etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd be surprised if we didn't get a plastic Sorcerer model. I would imagine the clam-pack is prerequisite now for any release. The Heldrake is currently our most OP unit. And in its comparatively short history, we've seen it go from good, to ludicrous, to nerfed. Currently, it is still a lynchpin for most armies. But, while I really really really do try and be optimistic, history shows us it is more likely to become more nerfed, or stay the same, before it is improved and made balanced. Although, only perhaps most OP because there's so much that fails to hit the spot in the rest of the Codex. I'm optimistic it won't become another 'has-been'. I equally couldn't imagine it dropping below AP3... again, perhaps that errs on the optimistic side though. You're implying people tale FFiends on some basis to begin with? I love the models - it'd be great with Skyfire. To be fair, I'd be tempted to run one anyway in casual play, because they're cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 why is everyone believing this bols/natfka nonsense of a new csm main codex and cult formations? the only reliable rumour (confirmed by darnok on warseer) is khorne daemons from end times being tied into a combined CSM supplement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 We're performing the Bioware favorite pasttime of speculating. By that I mean most of us know most or all of this is crap to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 why is everyone believing this bols/natfka nonsense of a new csm main codex and cult formations? the only reliable rumour (confirmed by darnok on warseer) is khorne daemons from end times being tied into a combined CSM supplement Personally, I call bull on all of it. When I see a logical argument for its existence put forth, then I'll believe it. Until then, I've seen enough good Chaos rumors go bad that my salt intake makes the Dead Sea look like fresh water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 why is everyone believing this bols/natfka nonsense of a new csm main codex and cult formations? the only reliable rumour (confirmed by darnok on warseer) is khorne daemons from end times being tied into a combined CSM supplement Just passing the time man, hanging out with fellow Chaos players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Personally, I call bull on all of it. When I see a logical argument for its existence put forth, then I'll believe it. Until then, I've seen enough good Chaos rumors go bad that my salt intake makes the Dead Sea look like fresh water. yep, it's like groundhog day, and we now float in a sea of acceptance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimjimmyjim Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This really doesn't mean much. Due to the clamp down on all rumours a rumour is often only true 3-4 weeks prior to release. I would be surprised to see a new set of rules on the back end of the a BT release. For 2 main reasons. Its part of the daemon codex, not CSM codex! And we haven't seen the glottkin in 40k since its release. Even as an apoc model it would be appropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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