Perrin Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are the Alpha and Beta both Gloriana Class? I thought they were standard battle barges, obviously equipped with cloaking and the like. The Vengeful Spirit was the flagship of the Great Crusade according to ToH. Doesn't the Emperor have his own personal ship? Might be misremembering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are the Alpha and Beta both Gloriana Class? I thought they were standard battle barges, obviously equipped with cloaking and the like. The Vengeful Spirit was the flagship of the Great Crusade according to ToH. Doesn't the Emperor have his own personal ship? Might be misremembering. Good point actually. I'd imagine he would but I've not read anything about it or seen it mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Phalanx although like a space fort is still a ship, a very large ship. Able to carry a metric crap ton of Fists. I'd say Phalanx is the biggest and baddest. Followed by the word bearer king ships. Followed by the vengeful spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The Iron Blood gets my vote. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Until we actually get Official Art of the Phalanx and maybe a graphic Breakdown of it, its still a starfort to me; so while it is very mobile, I wouldn't call it a ship. I'd guess that the Word Bearers Kingships take the cake since they were purpose built to counter the Phalanx (AFAIK) and Terras defenses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The Abyss classes are on par with Phalanx. Which, I assume, is why Lorgar built 3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are both the Abyss class still in the air currently? I know the Furious Abyss was destroyed but I can't remember from Betrayer if either of the other two were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Fighting a planet wouldn't matter so much since you could tilt the side of your ship to face the planet but in space attacks from below surely would be commonplace.... Logically. Though 2D space is a common enough issue when it comes to space battles. I'm not actually sure if any of the BL writers actually avoid the trope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 How would you fight in space without fighting like it's an ocean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 How would you fight in space without fighting like it's an ocean? I guess there are quite a few comparisons to the ocean but it is pretty far from it. I mean you've got a z plane, no waves to account for, no real weather conditions... I can imagine void naval warfare to be interesting though! Makes me think of all the exercises done in Ender's Game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are the Alpha and Beta both Gloriana Class? I thought they were standard battle barges, obviously equipped with cloaking and the like. The Vengeful Spirit was the flagship of the Great Crusade according to ToH. Doesn't the Emperor have his own personal ship? Might be misremembering. Good point actually. I'd imagine he would but I've not read anything about it or seen it mentioned. It's made a few appearances but the name of it has slipped my mind. It's described if I remember correctly, basically as the Imperial Palace but flight capable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I seem to remember it was the Imperator Somnium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristander Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are the Alpha and Beta both Gloriana Class? I thought they were standard battle barges, obviously equipped with cloaking and the like. The Vengeful Spirit was the flagship of the Great Crusade according to ToH. Doesn't the Emperor have his own personal ship? Might be misremembering. Good point actually. I'd imagine he would but I've not read anything about it or seen it mentioned. It's made a few appearances but the name of it has slipped my mind. It's described if I remember correctly, basically as the Imperial Palace but flight capable Bucephalus - historically the name of Alexander the Great's horse (which would make you wonder what the Emperor was knocking about at, at the time). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just give me the Iron Blood and the Conqueror, and I'll put the Imperium down like a rabid dog. Neither ship could totally end the ultras at calth or the iron cage. I'll wager i see your tail between your legs before the 5th planet when faced with a worthy opponent ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Are the Alpha and Beta both Gloriana Class? I thought they were standard battle barges, obviously equipped with cloaking and the like. The Vengeful Spirit was the flagship of the Great Crusade according to ToH. Doesn't the Emperor have his own personal ship? Might be misremembering. Good point actually. I'd imagine he would but I've not read anything about it or seen it mentioned. It's made a few appearances but the name of it has slipped my mind. It's described if I remember correctly, basically as the Imperial Palace but flight capable Bucephalus - historically the name of Alexander the Great's horse (which would make you wonder what the Emperor was knocking about at, at the time). This, but he was also known to use Phalanx as his personal vessel as well. Because, well. Look at it. It's basically the Imperial Palace in space. Manned by the most elite members of a Legion that specializes in ship-to-ship fighting, and commanded by the Emperor's First Champion. It just has a lot going for it. Edit: How would you fight in space without fighting like it's an ocean? My personal vision, and I will be the first to admit it is probably overly simplistic and inaccurate, is that void warfare is essentially an open marriage between aerial, naval and submarine combat, of all variations seen throughout our military histories considering the anachronistic nature inherent in the setting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The Word Bearers' king-ships - each one being an equivalent to the Phalanx, although I would wager that they are more oriented for offensive purposes. The Iron Blood - going by the diagram in Extermination, it is certainly the most heavily armored of the Legion flagships. The Conqueror - rebuilt from the former War Hounds flagship Adamant Resolve and described as "almost unrecognizable" from its former self. Heavily armored and armed to conform to Angron's idea of void combat. The Terminus Est - described as an unique vessel and a relic of the Dark Ages of Technology. Very powerful payload of alchemical weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Iron Blood can't be that good, it was present at the ambush at Phall and was even boarded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Iron Blood can't be that good, it was present at the ambush at Phall and was even boarded. So was Vengeful Spirit. Being boarded is pretty common. Its probably even more common when you're 20Km long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Iron Blood can't be that good, it was present at the ambush at Phall and was even boarded. So was Vengeful Spirit. Being boarded is pretty common. Its probably even more common when you're 20Km long. But during a battle in which you had the element of surprise and, I'm not sure so correct if I'm wrong, but had superior firepower and also a Primarch running things against a second choice commander? If it was that powerful it's sheer power should of broke the enemies back in combination with the rest of it's fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The IW spearheaded into what they thought would be a dispersed fleet, but instead was a gigantic sphere of interlocking fields of fire and boarding craft. They effectively forced themselves to be surrounded. Also, the Iron Warriors kicked serious :cuss during the fight and mangled the Fists. Its only because Polux was a diamond in the rough and exceptional fleet commander that the Fists survived at all. Indeed, had it been Sigismund in command, they would've been wiped out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Since we are talking Fake ships I say the 5th legions Flagship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Bucephalus - historically the name of Alexander the Great's horse (which would make you wonder what the Emperor was knocking about at, at the time). It was Bucephelus. Remember the unspoken rule of Warhammer 30/40K is to misspell names by one or more letters. At some stage of the Great Crusade, the Emperor began utilizing the Imperator Somnium as his flagship. References: Collected Visions - The Custodian Guard, pg. 143 The Wolf of Ash and Fire (Short Story) by Graham McNeill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Where does theEternal Crusader stand? I really don't know much about the fleet fluff, but have read that it is very noticably larger than a normal battlebarge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The Eternal Crusader can carry twice as many Marines as most battle-barges (most can carry three companies plus vehicles and support). It was called the Eternal Crusader: a vast battle-barge, the mightiest of its type ever built, ten kilometres long, whose keel was laid in the inconceivable past. I don't think that "type" has ever been identified, but that's less than half the size of a Gloriana: Macragge’s Honour. Twenty-six kilometres of polished ceramite and steel armour. (40k ship dimensions have been all over the place over the years, but these are both recent sources: Eternal Crusader and Know No Fear.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The IW spearheaded into what they thought would be a dispersed fleet, but instead was a gigantic sphere of interlocking fields of fire and boarding craft. They effectively forced themselves to be surrounded. Also, the Iron Warriors kicked serious during the fight and mangled the Fists. Its only because Polux was a diamond in the rough and exceptional fleet commander that the Fists survived at all. Indeed, had it been Sigismund in command, they would've been wiped out. I don't think they did kick butt during the fight, I mean I believe most of the damage to the imperial fist fleet was when they were ordered to withdraw. It states if they had continued to fight it's entirely possible the Imperial Fists would of beaten the Iron Warriors. Anyway I digress, I don't think the Iron Blood was any stronger than most of the other legion capital ships, as far as I'm aware most were built to specifications of the legion, so Iron Hands, Salamanders, Death Guard and Iron Warriors were sturdier, White Scars were swifter and had improved engines, Raven Guard were fitted for Stealth etc etc none of them though truly brought something new to the field imo apart from the conqueror atm which had the giant ursus claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301443-largest-and-most-powerful-legion-flagships/page/2/#findComment-3910852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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