Brom MKIV Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I'm sure by now nearly everyone is familiar with imperial knights, and probably the other power build of Draigo + centurions too. But has anyone considered a grey knights Fellblade? It can be found in ia2- 2nd ed, errata'd by FW to be allowed for GK armies. Everyone is hooked on imperial knights lately.. aka 'mini' titans which aren't actually all that threatening or durable IMO. The centstar otoh is obviously very killy and more durable when psychic buffs are up. Plus gate acts as psuedo hit and run and allows the unit to be most places it wants to be, but for that were looking at 650+ pts minimum invested, not to mention a LoW slot 2 HQs and allies. Enter the Fellblade. By comparison this super heavy tank is much killier than an imperial knight, potentially more so than the centurions, and potentially more durable than either. It sits at av 14/13/12 so its vulnerable to melta and assaults, BUT it can't be locked in combat same as the centstar and with 12 hull pts it doesn't lose damage output until the last drop, and thats assuming nothing wrapping it or otherwise protecting it. It also always moves 12" just like any other SH and has a psuedo stomp tank shock thunderblitz that brings 1/6 chance of a D result. Oh and it also packs tons of firepower. For those without access to the rules its weapon capabilities are: -Fellblade accelerator cannon: S8 ap3 ordnance 7" or S9 ap2 3" armourbane (both 100"). twin linked. -2 sponson quad lascannons ( 4 twin linked lascannons). -1 demolisher seige cannon (S10 ap2 5"). -hull mounted twin linked hvy bolters. -optional pintle mounted weapon. So potentially 6 seperate targets if you feel so inclined. You also have the option of adding legacies of glory including but not limited to: all blast weapons ignore cover (digest that), skyfire/interceptor/night fighting/tank hunter, force opponents to reroll hits in combat, and more. And it looks cool. Lastly it thunderblitz's culexus assassins pretty well I would suppose. Base price is 525 pts before legacies or pintle weapon. I recently faced one of these things and it was rather impressive. And fun. So thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I've not faced it, and don't own the FW book with the rules on it. Is it an Apoc-only model, or did they do away with Apoc-only rules in 7th? On another note, what is the exceptional synergy between Draigo and Centurions? That hasn't come up much, although I reckon it's mostly because people take Tigurius with them so often... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 errata'd by FW to be allowed for GK armies. Where? The errata is here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2faq.pdf I don't see any mention of Grey Knights Fellblades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Very bottom of the document. And ya FW updated many of their LoW for normal games. Draigo brings durability and guaranteed gate of infinity to centurions primarily. Forgive the short responses on my phone now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 "The Grey Knights Thunderhawk Gunship (page 218) may be chosen if your primary detachment is from Codex: Grey Knights." ??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Ive seen this before. Reread it. A quick read makes it look like you can but its not gk allowed unless unbound. They also have another faq (unless they took it down. Was 5 months ago when I saw it) that was newer that addressed this one restating that gk only get the gunship Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Alsi where is the legacies option? I have IA 2 2nd edition and I dont see any rule for that, but it can be given ceramite plating for 25 points so melta lose their threat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hmm I'll need to double check all the relevant documents apparently. I am not aware of any previous faq though, just the one I linked above. If anyone does have access please link it. Legacies of glory are in the back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3909821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 For 525 points, I'd probably take a Thunderhawk instead. It's far more durable, it has absurd amounts of firepower, and it can get our Terminators and Purifiers into the fight pretty reliably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Ya the thunderhawk is incredibly well armed although it clocks in at around a warhound fully tooled. Unfortunately I've found the 'clarification' by FW which removes GKs from taking the fellblade so its all moot. Sorry fellas my bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Do you have a link? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Nothing ever allowed it in the first place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Grey Knights are post Fellblades, they were formed after Fellblades went out of production for the Legions and therefore never had any. It's the same thing with all of the Heresy and pre-Heresy Legion equipment, GK were too late to the game to get those juicy 30k relics! No Stormhawks, no Contemptors, no Fellblades. Their own Knight Household? Strong maybe. Their own Titan Legion? The Psi-Titan Legion is based on their Forge-Moon orbiting Titan. Remember, Grey Knights were given a stock of the best equipment available after Mars was taken by Traitor forces, but before Mars was taken back by Loyalists, and that the GK had "a thousand years" of crash-course R&D that lead to their current catalog of equipment. Rhinos and Razorbacks, yes. Spartan Land Raiders and Cestus Assault Ram, no. While GK are Space Marines, they are a breed apart. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Grey Knights are post Fellblades, they were formed after Fellblades went out of production for the Legions and therefore never had any. It's the same thing with all of the Heresy and pre-Heresy Legion equipment, GK were too late to the game to get those juicy 30k relics! Technically, Deimos and Mars have all the schematics for the 30k era stuff. But the Grey Knights don't need the vast majority of it, as they're not a Legion, they're a Chapter (albeit a very specialised one). We still have conversion beamers, psycannon etc which is all rare pre-Imperial tech. So it's not a question of access. More a question of need. Grey Knights mainly rely on their infantry to do the job, the Chapter doesn't engage in mechanised warfare etc. The vehicles of the Chapter are simply to transport the infantry into position. Their own Knight Household? Strong maybe. Definite no. The Knight-Households precede the Imperium by thousands of years, and there were none on Saturn or any of its moons. Their own Titan Legion? The Psi-Titan Legion is based on their Forge-Moon orbiting Titan. Well it's not the Grey Knights Titans. All Titan belong to the Collegia Titanica, which has existed since at least the first human interstellar empire. The Psi-Titans belong to the Mechanicum ultimately, not the Grey Knights. Remember, Grey Knights were given a stock of the best equipment available after Mars was taken by Traitor forces, but before Mars was taken back by Loyalists, and that the GK had "a thousand years" of crash-course R&D that lead to their current catalog of equipment. Rhinos and Razorbacks, yes. Spartan Land Raiders and Cestus Assault Ram, no. Well they've been supplied since as well, don't forget. Deimos was moved to Saturn for a reason. It wasn't 'crash course', the Emperor and the Sigilite had planned everything in advance. Nemesis force weapons are based off the Emperor's own sword after all. Psycannons are pre-Imperial tech as well, as are conversion beamers. A lot of their tech is standardised (ie storm bolters, the physical components of their armour mostly, their vehicle pool), but that's simply to make supply a little easier, and also because those technologies are proven. Even something as basic as wrist storm bolters was planned in advance, because it follows on from the Terminator project (and GKT's can largely be though of being the end result of that path). Interesting, in the recent 'Incorruptible' audiobook, the Grey Knights use a Caestus assault ram. So like I said, they usually have no need, but that doesn't mean they can't use Heresy or even pre-Heresy tech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3910947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 They drop poded in one of the books too. Can't remember which. I just remember a scene where a bunch of terminator purgators crashed down to planet fall on a pod and started killing, along with hundreds of other knights (sure they died lol) I also remember scenes where some justicar or something had a nemesis spear or maul (was one of them) he lost his arms and died too xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3911176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkleLord Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They drop poded in one of the books too. Can't remember which. I just remember a scene where a bunch of terminator purgators crashed down to planet fall on a pod and started killing, along with hundreds of other knights (sure they died lol) I also remember scenes where some justicar or something had a nemesis spear or maul (was one of them) he lost his arms and died too xD I know in Ben Counter's book "Grey Knight" in the beginning of the book they get drop podded. But if I recall, it was 1000 or so years before "current" 40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3912433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There's also that one time they crash their spaceship into the planet instead of teleporting because Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I believe GK should be given access to the Spartan Tank... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I believe GK should be given access to the Spartan Tank...I don't. Although I do believe GK should have Drop Pods and a Flying Monstrous Creature unit that's a scaled-down DreadKnight crossed with a Centurion as an answer to FMC Daemon Princes. I see GK more a keen to Heinlen's Mobile Infantry than just another Space Matine chapter, with a focus on the armor and the man inside. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't. Although I do believe GK should have Drop Pods and a Flying Monstrous Creature unit that's a scaled-down DreadKnight crossed with a Centurion as an answer to FMC Daemon Princes. I see GK more a keen to Heinlen's Mobile Infantry than just another Space Matine chapter, with a focus on the armor and the man inside. SJ That sounds both hilariously overpowered and hideously grotesque at the same time. Not sure if that's good or bad.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 A shooting focused flying Mc would really boost gk... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmagi Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Actually I think if the dreadknight could take 2 of the same weapons that would be a decent ranged mc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Actually I think if the dreadknight could take 2 of the same weapons that would be a decent ranged mc Nah, double heavy psycannon would be pretty insane. Especially with a Dreadknight's mobility, you'd be getting side or rear armour arcs and just eviscerating vehicles at will. It would be too powerful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301490-lord-of-war-fellblade/#findComment-3913847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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