Daemon2027 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Ok, so I don't know if this is the best place to ask as I'm not working off a standard Astra Militarium list but I figured you guys may have more knowledge. I am dedicating this year to building a Solar Auxilia army, for which I have a large amount of resin already, enough to fill out my initial troop selection of around 70 men. And I'm writing a rough list, less an army list and more a shopping list. Now I have got to the section that says Auxilia Leman Russ Strike Squadron, and apart from wanting 2, 3 tank squadrons, I have no idea what to pick. So I was wondering what are the best options when it comes to the workhorse of the Imperial Army. My choices are; Standard battle tank Exterminator Annihilator Vanquisher. From the extra options I cant take sponsons, but I can swap the heavy bolter for a multi laser, heavy flamer or lascannon. Similiary in the heavy support section I would like to take a Leman Russ Assault Squadron. My choices here are the Demolisher Incinerator Executioner Same deal with sponsons and heavy bolter upgrades. I definitely want an Incnerator here, and I'm guessing that might be a little known variant here as its a Heresy thing (mmm....Volkite). So I kind of want to know, what does what, what's cool, where should I spend my money. For other armour I am thinking of getting either bombards or basilisks, and a Valdor Tank hunter. Oh and probally a thunderbolt for air support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Honestly without points values I can't help you much, and well, sharing points values is frowned upon. If this is solely an army that will be playing against other Heresy armies, I'd recommend popping over to the HH section and asking them for tips. Most people there will probably have a copy of HH:IV, and they'll be able to help you with the nuance of the game and what works well in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Coffee is right, while we are all about the Guard here the Solar Auxila are part of the HH game so work a bit differently and more importantly within a different game. You will probably be better off asking them, if you would like I can move your topic to the 30k section? There's nothing stopping you returning here to show off your models though ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yeah I did think of asking in there it's just as a newish force there aren't many of us SA. I'm just kind of lost with all the different variants of Russ available. I have no idea where to begin. Apart from with the Incinerator cos it's shiny... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 A lot of 30k is based around power armored bodies. With that in mind, consider the Leman Russ Battle Tank with no upgrades. As far as the heavies, consider the Executioner for similar reasons. Also, I always love the Executioner (mmmm....plasma.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I will move the topic for you but leave a tag behind here for people to follow if they want. Even if there's not many SA players yet your potential opponents should know what scares them From a Guard point of view - and there's no reason to think this won't be mostly the same in 30k - the standard Russ is versatile but nothing special. It reliably deals with most opponents well enough short of the heaviest of armour but works best in number in my opinion. If you're going for fewer tanks, or already have a standard Russ complement, then specialists are the way to go to complement the rest of your force. So it comes down to what you need in your list. Heavy armour is always useful, even more so in number thanks to saturation so it's just a matter of picking the right guns. The Incinerator's shiny is good enough reason to pick if you want it The Demolisher may be short ranged but packs a hell of a punch, dangerous and a bit a fire magnet - nasty in pairs supporting each other. The Executioner will plasma pop heavy infantry for you which will likely be quite useful in the Marine crowded 30th Millennium. Exterminator is nice but may be a bit weedy for the hyped up HH, and the Vanquisher has a great gun but struggles with being BS3. Hopefully that helps arm you with the basics so you can get stuck in, don't forget you can always come back here for more bits such as some tactical advice (always run tanks with infantry escorts to protect them) and show off your models Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 In my opinion I don't think the Leman Russ Incinerator is that useful. It can do ten wounds at most but if you're fighting in HH games vs marines for the majority of the time, then you don't ignore their armour and it's strength 7 when strength 6 is good enough just to wound on 2s. It's not that very good at anti tank either, so whilst it looks cool and I to personally would love to have one I just don't think it fulfils it's role very well, it's also BS3 to unless it's upgraded. I like the other two tanks over it for killing power. The first lot of leman russ's can outflank to so I'd be tempted to go for a Leman Russ exterminator so that you could possibly take advantage of weaker side and rear armour and with 4 shots being twin linked you can compensate for the lower BS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 in case they can outflank i'dd definetly go for a standard leman russ. it will ruin space marines their day in 40k and i'm pretty sure it will do so in 30K as well. it also allows you to come in from their flank, pick off a bundles up heavy support unit and clear out their deployment zone, forcing them to either come back to you or keep pushing forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yeah, I'm inclined to think the standard Leman Russ in 30K is the optimal choice. Leave the Incinerator, unless you're dead set on it having a cool factor -- can't blame ya there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3910907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Thanks for your answers guys, looks like I will be getting a few of the old trusty standard, and maybe an Executioners. Going with 1 Incinerator just because it looks cool. And i already brought it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3911122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just think of those large squads of Marines and what your battle cannon could do ;) Never forget the Rule of Cool is the most powerful in 40k and that applies to your own models too :lol: Outflanking Russes seems a bit cruel, I guess that's where Creed got it from... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3911161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 So pretty.... Warrior Fish, once I have some painted models I'll come post some pics over in the Astra Militarum forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3911753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Excellent, we'll be looking forward to it! :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3913229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The problem with Executioners is that for the cost of 3 Executioners (600) you can pick up an allied force of Legiones, with a Centurion, 10 Man Bolter Squad and 3 Predator Executioners with Heavy Bolter sponsons (590). That is another scoring unit with either T5 vs shooting or bs5 fury of the legion, and 18 heavy bolter shots, and always has bs4, in return for dropping av14 to 13. Battlecannons are ace, however. With the exception of Iron Hands which require the niche of a Basilisk (about the only use for onexin 7th edition), you double out t4 and at ap3, so Apothecaries are wasted. The volkite suffers from lacking ignores cover and either rending or increased ap in the marine centric 30k meta, while its expense against 40k armies (compare a monolith to a SA LR Incinerator) means it is not points effective, even against horde armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3913404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The problem with Executioners is that for the cost of 3 Executioners (600) you can pick up an allied force of Legiones, with a Centurion, 10 Man Bolter Squad and 3 Predator Executioners with Heavy Bolter sponsons (590). That is another scoring unit with either T5 vs shooting or bs5 fury of the legion, and 18 heavy bolter shots, and always has bs4, in return for dropping av14 to 13. Battlecannons are ace, however. With the exception of Iron Hands which require the niche of a Basilisk (about the only use for onexin 7th edition), you double out t4 and at ap3, so Apothecaries are wasted. The volkite suffers from lacking ignores cover and either rending or increased ap in the marine centric 30k meta, while its expense against 40k armies (compare a monolith to a SA LR Incinerator) means it is not points effective, even against horde armies. Mathhammer always blows my mind and makes me realize I'm so out of touch with the competitive aspect of the game. Somewhere in between fluff and crunch is where I live. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3913481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah, that's the side of the hobby that scares me. It's why I have no idea what yo do when I look at entries like Russ Assault Squadrons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301525-some-tank-help-please/#findComment-3913943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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