Deamon Wolf Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Is It True that the Grey Knights can shut down the Golden thrown to create the Star child? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Throne? Dunno. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3910655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The only reference to this is here. I don't have the version of the Grey knight Codex to verify this, but it does state: he existence of this artifact is known only to the Grey Knights Supreme Grand Master and no record of it can be found in any library in the material realm.[Needs Citation] Such is the power of the Terminus Decree that it is to be opened only in humanity's darkest hour, when all hope for the race is lost. What happens once the box is opened and the decree is spoken by the Supreme Grand Master is infinitely dangerous and will either save mankind from certain defeat or doom it to oblivion for all eternity. In this capacity it is the ultimate sanction of the Grey Knights, to be used only as a last resort, when all other options have failed. If it is true, it beg the question why haven't the Grey Knights gone ahead and done it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3910671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Because they are the Grey Knights. I can't see them really saying that 'all hope is lost' until Terra is under full invasion. And by then it might be too late. As an aside, is this Liber appropriate? If not, should it be moved to the Grey Knights? If this is related to a DIY concept of yours, Deamon Wolf, I'd be interested to read of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3910681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Because they are the Grey Knights. I can't see them really saying that 'all hope is lost' until Terra is under full invasion. And by then it might be too late. I suppose my own thoughts are: Do the Grey Knights feel that the "End times" are nigh? I can't see any evidence to state that is the case. Everything is relative, however... As an aside, is this Liber appropriate? If not, should it be moved to the Grey Knights? If this is related to a DIY concept of yours, Deamon Wolf, I'd be interested to read of it. I had intended to ask that question myself in my last post, but failed to do so I'll wait for Deamon Wolf's response and if it is GK specific, I'll move it over to the appropriate sub forum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3910696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The Terminus Decree is mostly likely 'go turn off the Golden Throne, see if the Emperor reincarnates'. It's maximum heresy and maximum loyalty at the same time. On the one hand, everyone will think you're insane and try and stop you (hence why its entrusted to the Grey Knights, no other force can do it). On the other hand, if it works, the Emperor comes back in physical form again. Which is probably the only way Abbadon is going to be stopped, as he's basically Primarch-tier now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine Blue Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 They haven't done it yet as the Grey Knights are too busy being mysterious :D Seriously though, its probably because they'd be called heretics and the Custodes wouldn't allow it to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 how would the Custodes stop the Knights of Titan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine Blue Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Easily; they punch them in the face! Everyone knows that Grey Knights are weak to face punches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 real argument please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay170788 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Blue can't post sensibly, he moans at others for trolling but he is worse than any others. Personally not sure the Custodes could stand against a serious force of The Knights of Titan. Problem is that only the grand master knows, would a force of GK's attack Terran guards without a reason?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine Blue Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It obviously depends on how many GKs were to go there. If the hole chapter went, then of course they'd beat the Custodes, but if only a small number went then the Custodes would win. Jay, I can and do post seriously. Look at my posts on my 'hot' thread; it is all serious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Folks, you know the rules. Criticize ideas, not the posters themselves. Directed attacks are unbecoming of the board. Please stay on topic or I'll vaporize this thread myself. <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 On-topic: shutting off the Golden Throne is the prime directive of the Ordos Hydra as it falls in line with their warped and misguided philosophy. It would spell doom for the Imperium. It's heresy, plain and simple. Setting that aside for the moment, the question then becomes the GK vs. the Custodes. Either fight it out or talk it out. In a fight, the Custodians would win; the Emperor always tips them off on what's coming which is why they always tend to show up and win in decisive and sinister ways. They also have FAR more resources they can call on than even the Grey Knights can, so any form of assault is completely a wash for the Knights. The knights could roll in with their entire force and they'd be met by the might of Mars which would just brush them aside. (Like Ad Mech would allow the Omnissiah to fall; even without the warning from the Custodians, their response time to threats that near to Terra is damn good.) Remember: the Knights aren't intended to be a large scale invasion force: they're a cleaning force. They're small by nature, very well trained and equipped, but really not up to the task of tackling Terra. Could they sneak in a single unit? In silver armor? Surely you jest. Not to mention that the Custodians initiation involves covert ops, which is something they do all the time. It's an exception to the rule for GK to go undercover; if it's ever happened before? So, the only avenue left to them is whether they could persuade the Custodians to let them do it, for which 1. they'd need a spectacularly good reason and 2. the Custodians would be expecting them anyway, because it's the Emperor who would tell them. (Remember when the Sisters of Silence were called by the Custodians to the Golden Throne?) IF they had a good reason, it's a forgone conclusion: in fact, the GK would likely be summoned if this were to ever be done on purpose, as they'd be needed to staunch the tide of demons that might surge from the throne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Pfft. The GK could just personal teleport *bamph* past the Custodes and into the Throne Room itself. They could do that with a bunch of NDK. Custodes aren't stopping that. Also, as the Custodes were created *before* the Grey Knights, and use a totally different procedure, I doubt they were made with the Emperors Gene Seed. Unlike the GK. Custodes are unique as they have neither a known Primarch nor do they use gene-seed to produce their genetic modifications. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Either group could be using the Emperor's gene-seed. Neither might.Kind of depends on whether or not there is Emperor gene-seed. I've always seen that as being an even bigger stretch than Space Wolf gene-seed being Chaos resistant, or the Apocrypha(s) being taken as in-universe fact. Personally, I feel that there's some irony to this device. It's possible that its use could save the Imperium. The irony is that, for the sake of the Imperium, it will never be used. By the time that it gets to a point where a Grey Knight would push the red button, there would be no Grey Knights left alive. If there were, then it obviously hadn't reached that point yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Since the supreme grand master is the only one who knows the secret, and is currently sniffing some fine ass warp dust in some nurgle jungle somewhere. Then I supose that it's entirely possible that he could just walk through to the mortal world during an assault on terra(End times, huge warp rift) and just walts into the room and turn it off? Essentially trolololing with warp gate. Obviously made far cooler than my little mental rendering. But it's the jist of it :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3911990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine Blue Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So there's the greatest battle in the history of the universe... And Draigo comes along and spoils it by pressing the restart switch... Seem kinda anti-climactic :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Pfft. The GK could just personal teleport *bamph* past the Custodes and into the Throne Room itself. They'd need to get very close to Terra to do that. (See: Ad Mech.) Only one individual could cross the void at his leisure, and the Emperor's a bit tied up at the moment. Besides, not like the Big E would let them just pop in; teleportation involves the warp, and that's where he spends a lot of his time. Either group could be using the Emperor's gene-seed. Neither might. A. D-B.'s The Emperor's Gift essentially clinches this debate for me by implying what the "gift" is. I recommend that book, it's really good (esp. for licensed work) and is - in my mind - required reading for any serious GK fluff aficionado. So there's the greatest battle in the history of the universe... And Draigo comes along and spoils it by pressing the restart switch... Seem kinda anti-climactic The "Draigo anomaly" is a vile lie spread by insidious Tzeentchian Cultists. Report to Deck 13 Section C for "debriefing" immediately. The Inquisitor awaits you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm pretty sure it's the leaked playtest (which goes into more detail about Interceptors) that said GK could make planet to planet hops with them. And yeah, it's kinda solidified that the GK use the Emperors Gene Seed now. ;) I also doubt the Big E has either the power, or the inclination to stop the GKs. They wouldn't have had the Terminus Decree if he didn't want it (through Malcador I assume). If the TD is a button that needs to be pressed by the Golden Throne, and the GKs decide it needs to be pressed, I'm sure he would allow it. ;) (I'd like to state, that amongst all the pretentious self satisfying 'fluff' Ward put into the 5th Edition GK Dex, the Terminus Decree stands out as something fitting and good!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 A. D-B.'s The Emperor's Gift essentially clinches this debate for me by implying what the "gift" is. I recommend that book, it's really good (esp. for licensed work) and is - in my mind - required reading for any serious GK fluff aficionado. Well, that particular book is high on my list already, but thanks for the info on something it sheds light on. I'll bump it up higher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So there's the greatest battle in the history of the universe... And Draigo comes along and spoils it by pressing the restart switch... Seem kinda anti-climactic The "Draigo anomaly" is a vile lie spread by insidious Tzeentchian Cultists. Report to Deck 13 Section C for "debriefing" immediately. The Inquisitor awaits you. "The Machine Spirit is your friend! All hail the Machine Spirit!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The whole idea of the Terminus Decree is actually pretty cool, and was a good addition to the fluff some 6 years back. I like that it isn't explicit, and that we're all called upon to make assumptions with what it is, and how it would work. My assumption has always been that, since it is titled as a 'Decree' that it must come from the Emperor himself, as a "break glass in case of emergency" plot device. If the decree doesn't come from the Emperor, then from whom would it originate, and how would it carry any weight? I think it must suffice to allow the Grey Knights to do what must be done, in humanity's darkest hour. As stated by one of the others above, it's been given to the Grey Knights to preserve, protect, and to carry out because they're the ones who specialize in fighting deamons. But, more importantly, they're incorruptible....they're not going to compromise the whole emergency plan when the outlook is most dire, and other, lesser men start thinking about hedging their bets with the Lords of Chaos. Unfortunately, the Khaldor Draigo fluff is what it is, and was even repeated in the new edition, so we do have a rather significant issue in that the only person in the Universe (besides the indisposed Emperor) that even knows about it is equally indisposed. One can only hope that the Emperor will free the Supreme Grand Master from his curse if and when the need arises in the End Times. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 If the TD is a button that needs to be pressed by the Golden Throne, and the GKs decide it needs to be pressed, I'm sure he would allow it. I covered that already! Geez. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Honestly, a decree of that magnitude could come from several agencies in the Imperium...resulting in different reactions from the various other factions. The Lords themselves have the authority (technically, but not really the clout) to make such a proclamation. It'd need some strict qualifiers though: "If [this really really really bad thing happens] we need the GK here to help us pull The Big Golden Plug." If any non-Emperor entity were to make this kind of dictum and expect to maybe survive afterword, it'd be them. Anybody else that did it within proverbial earshot of the other powerful groups (one of the Astartes legions, a bigger Ad Mech house, the Ecclesiarchy) would find themselves in a :cussstorm of the other factions bringing the (literal) hammer down on them...but they could feasily make the decree (i.e. believe themselves to have the authority given reason to) if they couldn't survive it. I left the Inquistion out on purpose there, as one of their elements has made that decree...the heretics. Also, let's leave the "Incorruptible?" conversation on the back burner for now; we've had enough trouble with that recently. We can get back to that conversation maybe next week. I think it's an interesting one, but it's a trigger right now. OH before I forget: Valerian, you need to report to Deck 13 Section C for your Draigo "debriefing". That's a busy deck today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301541-grey-knights-and-the-golden-thrown/#findComment-3912356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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