Alpha Legion 1500pts

[Enigami]

I have recently put together an Alpha Legion list that I would like to try out. I'm an avid HH player, but I'd like to try something a little different. I usually play with large blobs of marines with an apothecary, but I'm going for something different this time. Because I'm in unfamiliar territory please criticize away so that I may make my list better. Without further ado.

 

HQ:

 

Legion Praetor RoW: Pride of the Legion 135

 

- Thunder Hammer

- Refractor Field

 

Elites:

 

Contemptor Mortis Dread 185

- Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon (2)

 

Troops:

 

Legion Terminator Squad (Tartaros) 200

- Plasma Blaster

- Power Fist (2)

- Power Axe (2)

- Power Sword (1)

 

Legion Terminator Squad (Tartaros) 200

- Plasma Blaster

- Power Fist (2)

- Power Axe (2)

- Power Sword (1)

 

Legion Veteran Squad 245

- Melta Bombs

- Power Sword (1)

- Power Axe (1)

- Sniper

 

Fast Attack

 

Javelin Attack Speeder 75

 

Heavy Support:

 

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer 190

 

Whirlwind Scorpious 115

 

Heavy Support Squad 160

- Heavy Flamer

- Rhino

 

This should be 1500 on the nose. I plan on choosing infiltrate as my Alpha Legion USR. Ideally I'll have everything infiltrating with the dread, WW, and sicaran hanging a little ways back. The speeder is there to support the infiltrators. The reason I'm going with a Pride of the legion list is that I often find that when playing with blobs of 19 marines + apothecary those units are absolutely worthless for anything but objective camping. That's at least 600 points of killing potential I'm losing. (Plus, having 100ish Death Guard marines, I'm adverse to painting more marines.)  I have several concerns because they are outside my usual playstyle.

 

1. The Terminators. I would like to have transports but find the the cost of a spartan of phobos prohibitive. I'm hoping the combination of infiltrate along with tartaros armor will help me get to my targets on turn 2 . What do ya'll think?

 

2. I initially found the idea of Vet Squads to be revolting. In my mind they are overcosted. However, I recognize their benefits and would like to use them as a TAC unit via the sniper rule, MBs and a couple power weapons. I'm still a little unsure on their load out and would greatly appreciate recommendations.

 

3. The Heavy Support Squad seems good, but I'm still iffy on them. I recognized I needed somewhat of an answer for horde and found that some kind of flamers fits my points needs and purpose. If anyone has any better ideas to combat a horde issue please let me know.

 

4. The dread. I'm split between the TLLC and the KPAC. I like Lascannons but I find that for grounding aircraft I need more than two shots.

[amazarak]

- I think you are spot on about your terminators being effective without a transport. One of the only circumstances where they would be.

- I would recommend a pass on the vet squad. There's way more economical units out there to take that can do what they do for less.

- If you aren't sold on flamers, there's always volkites. In fact, there's very little that kills hordes as well as volkites. Culverins, 45" range 4 shots per marine, 6 strength, deflagrate? Yum.

- You can't go wrong either way with the dread. Autocannons can be a good compromise between lascannons and assault cannons. I have bunches because they look kind of fresh.

- I would recommend 2 HK missiles for the javelin. Only 5 points each, fantastic price.

- Power dagger for the praetor for that extra attack at +5 points

- I'm not sure you have enough models honestly. You might struggle against 20 man tac squads with their FoTL.

- Points are off for the heavy support squad looks like? At a bare minimum with a Rhino you'd come in at 170 I believe.

[tetsuokills]

20 man Legion Tactical squads with an Apothecary and infiltrate are good. They make for great objective holders and can put out 40 Fury of the Legion bolter shots turn 1 without the need to rapid fire.

 

If you're set on taking a Contemptor Mortis Dreadnaught stick with the Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons for more versatility.

 

Drop the Veteran squad. The sniper special rule is nice but nothing special. Whilst they would work well(ish) against Castellax they are overpriced and will get cut down quickly.

 

Legion Terminator squads in Cataphractii armour with infiltrate are fine. You're in shooting range (but not melta) first turn and can be in CC by turn two. You should be taking combi-weapons. 210pts for 5 x combi-melta/plasma is good. Replace one with a Plasma Blaster for 218pts.

 

You could run 5 x Terminators w/ combi-melta. 5 x Terminators w/ combi-plasma and 5 x Terminators w/ Banestrike Ammo. That runs 25pts cheaper than your current three troops choices and leaves room for a Plasma Blaster and some change.

 

I like Javelin Landspeeders. They are a great outflanking option for Alpha Legion. With the change left over from the above proposed troops choices add two Hunter Killer Missiles to the Javelin. Four Str 8 AP3 shots on the turn they come in is good.

 

I like the Whirlwind Scorpius. One of the best value tanks in the game.

 

I don't like Heavy Support Squads.

 

The rhino is first blood material. No one is scared of one rhino and it will be opened immediately to remove the Heavy Flamer threat.

 

You could replace the Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer and Heavy Support squad with Rhino for two Sicarans with Lascannon sponsons. Unless you face Super heavy vehicles often in your meta, this option is better.

 

If you're concerned about hordes and crowd control then consider dropping the Contemptor Mortis Dreadnaught and replacing it with three single Thudd Guns. At 1500 points flyers should not be a huge concern. Two Sicarans whilst not having skyfire can still pose a decent threat to anything airborne.

 

Here's a revision of your list based on my comments;

 

HQ:

 

Legion Praetor w/ Cataphractii Armour, combi-weapon of choice.  142pts

 

 

Elites:

 

Thudd gun  60pts

 

Thudd gun  60pts

 

Thudd gun  60pts

 

 

Troops:

 

5 x Legion Terminators in Cataphractii Armour w/ 5 x combi-melta  210pts

 

5 x Legion Terminators in Cataphractii Armour w/ 4 x combi-plasma, 1 x Plasma Blaster  218pts

 

5 x Legion Terminators in Cataphractii Armour w/ Banestrike Ammo  200pts

 

 

Fast Attack:

 

1 x Javelin Landspeeder w/ Two Hunter Killer Missiles  85pts

 

 

Heavy Support:

 

Whirlwind Scorpius  115pts

 

Sicaran Battle Tank w/ Lascannon sponsons  175pts

 

Sicaran Battle Tank w/ Lascannon sponsons  175pts

 

 

1500pts

 

 

 

[Enigami]

Thanks for the responses guys. I agree the veterans need to go. In place of the Vets I'm liking another terminator squad. I do like the hunterkiller idea. I'd never really thought of them before. I'm not that worried about being low on bodies for the moment, because I'll be playing mostly 40k lists. I also agree the heavy support squad seems a little off. I'm not really a fan of metal boxes either, but couldn't really think of anything else. I like the idea of thud guns depending on which rules they get. If I am able to take the Conquest rules, I'll probably run them because they can glance things to death as well as solve my horde problem. Do either of you know if we can use the conquest rules for them? I hate to replace the venator because I love the rules and model, but I'll definitely mull it over.