Joasht Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Greetings all! I want to ask: what do you guys think about Commissars/Lord commissars/Yarrick? I've always like Commissars in the fluff, but have never quite found a use for them. It seems like Marine allies give a better leadership buff, while the Lord doesn't feel as worth it as a command squad (unless you take allies and few troops). Yarrick intrigues me, but does fall under the "not really a close combat monster relative to some other things". Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 1) Commissar/Lord : I use them for fluff and look. But generally, I much prefer priest. Sometimes I use them to get a good LD/moral while still being able to go to ground and getting myself back up after that. It's also a good choice of a cheap warlord since he cost almost as the CCS, but can be hidden in a blob or whatever. 2) Yarrick : I haven't used it much, but I like him for being Eternal Warrior. In bigger games, having an EW warlord (especially one that can get back up!) is great for denying the Slay the Warlord (especially now with Maelstrom missions you have other benefit for this : killing warlord, killing characters, etc.). In CC he can, with support of his squad, kill marines and stuff. But I would never put him against a MC or SM character. Yet he can one shot Eldar, Dark Eldar and other Imperial Guards (even Inquisitors !) since he got Str 6 ap 2, so it's not bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idlem Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I guess for a little extra insurance you can throw a Commissar in with a priest. Sure, Zealot takes care of 99% what a Commissar can do, but maybe you'll have that rare leadership test where you need that 9 instead of a 7. I dunno, Priests just do things so much better and don't BLAM your own guys, fluff is pretty much the only reason I take a Commissar Lord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 A Commissar with a Power Weapon (I like Axe myself) can do some damage in CC. I mean, you never want to plan for CC with Guard but then what's 40 to 80 points more in a 30 man blob, in an army already full of tanks. You might kill a bunch of TDAs while the blob tars them down and your Sgt.s take the Challenges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 For the same points and no down-side, priests are always a better option than a commissar. On the other hand, no one has ever roared in laughter because a priest shot a guardsman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 For the same points and no down-side, priests are always a better option than a commissar. On the other hand, no one has ever roared in laughter because a priest shot a guardsman. Wait, can Priests take Power Weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Greetings all! I want to ask: what do you guys think about Commissars/Lord commissars/Yarrick? I've always like Commissars in the fluff, but have never quite found a use for them. It seems like Marine allies give a better leadership buff, while the Lord doesn't feel as worth it as a command squad (unless you take allies and few troops). Yarrick intrigues me, but does fall under the "not really a close combat monster relative to some other things". Thanks! Lord commissr to me doesn't seem all that great he takes up a hq slot that could be used for tank commanders or company command squads while the regular commissr is pretty nice becuase of his relative cheapness. Yarrick on the other hand is a beast. He's the best of both worlds he's basically the best part about orders in a nice and hardy commissar that can be hidden in a nice 50 man blob. His striking last isn't much of an issue because he has 5 seargent to challenge for him. Put a priest in there and his squad isn't going anywhere. Also he can make a mean assault blob though it is expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Very handsome and dashing, generally all round top blokes that-oh wait you mean on the table top? Actually I don't really use them... which might sound odd! I've never had too much trouble with leadership as the 144th have always been brave, and I don't use conscripts so the need of their special talents is lessened. As part of a blob squad with a nest of power weapons mandatory and useful with better stats, but I think the Lord Commissar is less useful. As Marshal said a valuable HQ slot for a single model isn't a great idea for Guard as he's a support character that costs a few bob for what a commissar could do pretty much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Standard Commissars are awesome, making Conscripts stick, and handing out decent Leadership for Orders and the like. Still, Priests just seem...better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyNidus Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just wondering as a bit of a side track, Fluff-wise, what would the justification be for a commissar leading a tempestus scions force? Would commissars ever have missions of their own? Or are they always attached to some other regiment for morale purposes? And if so, why would he be attached to scions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Commissar can have leadership position, for example the novels Gaunt's Ghost where Gaunt is a Colonel-Commissar at the head of the Tanith First and Only. So I guess they could be the head leadership of a Scion forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3913946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Commissars and Scions both come from the Schola. So they will have the same standard operational procedures. Commissars probably like being 'officers' to Scions and vice versa because of that similarity. And, not because Commissars need to execute Scions to keep them in check. Tabletop wise I like putting a cheap unupgraded Commisar in with Scions sometimes to give my Tempestor with Power Axe a chance to hit back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3914012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 If I'm remembering my Only War fluff right, Commissars spend their early careers in Stormtrooper/Scion Regiments before being transferred to the standard Guardsmen units also. Presumably, it's done as an 'easing in' process since the Stormtroopers aren't likely to going to need much in the way of executions nor morale kept in check. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3916289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 If I'm remembering my Only War fluff right, Commissars spend their early careers in Stormtrooper/Scion Regiments before being transferred to the standard Guardsmen units also. Presumably, it's done as an 'easing in' process since the Stormtroopers aren't likely to going to need much in the way of executions nor morale kept in check. Think it's more to harden them up and get actual field experience so they know when to apply the field execution to the upper echelons of the military as well as dealing with troublesome troops. Just been reading some of the Gaunts Ghost novels again, such a good story line. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3916540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Depends what you want to do. If you want to take advantage of orders, the Ld9 of the Commissar is quite useful. Otherwise, you're probably better off with priests for most large IG squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3917269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Commissar can have leadership position, for example the novels Gaunt's Ghost where Gaunt is a Colonel-Commissar at the head of the Tanith First and Only. So I guess they could be the head leadership of a Scion forces. Although, as noted, it is rare! I love the thought of a Commissar leading Scions - I used to use as many as I could field to 'bolster morale', helps that the sculpts are great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3917632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yeah the older commissar models are great, the new plastic one not so much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3917880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah the older commissar models are great, the new plastic one not so much... Arr, he be lookin' more like a space pirate than a Commissar! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301673-commissars/#findComment-3919031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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