Deschenus Maximus Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gents, Any of you have any ideas on kitbashing/converting some helfrost cannons for a dreadnought or for a Stormraven (counting as a Stormwolf)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Usually when converting exotic weaponry, like helfrost cannons or psycannons, I find the tips necron gauss weaponry to look sufficiently exotic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3914979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I was also thinking a plasma cannon front end with part of a gauss gun would look similar to the actual gun. I bet you could also get something interesting out of an AssCan. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkalleone Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Stormraven counting as a Wolf might not be accepted evrywhere cause the modells are vastly different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gents, Any of you have any ideas on kitbashing/converting some helfrost cannons for a dreadnought or for a Stormraven (counting as a Stormwolf)? Alpha pattern Stormwolf if you don't like the look of the normal one... Looks a bit better, the fins are up to you as to where they go. Here's a pic (Not mine, search fu result): http://www.unrememberedlegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140808_005948015_iOS.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Stormraven counting as a Wolf might not be accepted evrywhere cause the modells are vastly different. You'd have to be a real stick-in-the-mud to refuse to play against it. It's not like there's a vas difference in size between the two. The only thing that is noticeably different is the position of the guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gents, Any of you have any ideas on kitbashing/converting some helfrost cannons for a dreadnought or for a Stormraven (counting as a Stormwolf)? Alpha pattern Stormwolf if you don't like the look of the normal one... Looks a bit better, the fins are up to you as to where they go. Here's a pic (Not mine, search fu result): http://www.unrememberedlegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140808_005948015_iOS.jpg That does look much better, but it's not really so much a question of not liking the esthetics as it is that I don't want to shell out the dough for one, convert it and paint it when I can use a Raven I already have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gents, Any of you have any ideas on kitbashing/converting some helfrost cannons for a dreadnought or for a Stormraven (counting as a Stormwolf)? Alpha pattern Stormwolf if you don't like the look of the normal one... Looks a bit better, the fins are up to you as to where they go. Here's a pic (Not mine, search fu result): http://www.unrememberedlegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140808_005948015_iOS.jpg That does look much better, but it's not really so much a question of not liking the esthetics as it is that I don't want to shell out the dough for one, convert it and paint it when I can use a Raven I already have. Your choice; that said, save up? If not something you want to do, there are bits sites online that I should probably look into that would help me with mine. Again, your choice, your minis, your army. Take as one will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkalleone Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Stormraven counting as a Wolf might not be accepted evrywhere cause the modells are vastly different. You'd have to be a real stick-in-the-mud to refuse to play against it. It's not like there's a vas difference in size between the two. The only thing that is noticeably different is the position of the guns. and that is what counts. You had to be really cheap-stick-in-the-mud to intentionally gaining a better (or worse) LoS with all weapons in the front. Dont get me wrong btw: I would love to be able to play the Stormraven as a Wolf cause i could use the modell for different chapters. sadly like i said above the 2 Flyers are too different. While accepting a "try out game" or two. On a Regular basis its a no go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think that's a bit absurd. You really think the different placement of the weapons would really have that much of an impact? Bare in mind, I don't intend to mount any other weapon but the helfrost cannons on a turret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It depends whether you're talking to a casual player or a waac player. I wouldn't give two shakes of a Fenrisian Wolves tail, but I know some of the players here would. I think it's fine as long as you did some conversion work to make it look 'wolfy'. But I would be sure to check with your opponent before using the vehicle. I would also search the web for bits to make you a flyer that works for you. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I don't know what the Meta is like here in knoxville, but back in Cool Springs it was pretty relaxed. I intended on running my Stormraven as a counts as stormwolf, and no one would have cared. I used my Stormtalons as land speeder tempests, and it was cool (since I wasn't flyer spamming, it dropped AV by 1 Side and rear, it made my missiles better, but my assault cannon worse). So before you go doing it, check with your local meta, as a courtesy to them, so they don't get all flustered when they see it across the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 It depends whether you're talking to a casual player or a waac player. I wouldn't give two shakes of a Fenrisian Wolves tail, but I know some of the players here would. I think it's fine as long as you did some conversion work to make it look 'wolfy'. But I would be sure to check with your opponent before using the vehicle. I would also search the web for bits to make you a flyer that works for you. End of Line I consider myself fairly competitive and it wouldn't bother me, personnaly (unless it was obvious the other player was trying to model for advantage (like modeling the lascannons on a turret mount, for example)). I don't know what the Meta is like here in knoxville, but back in Cool Springs it was pretty relaxed. I intended on running my Stormraven as a counts as stormwolf, and no one would have cared. I used my Stormtalons as land speeder tempests, and it was cool (since I wasn't flyer spamming, it dropped AV by 1 Side and rear, it made my missiles better, but my assault cannon worse). So before you go doing it, check with your local meta, as a courtesy to them, so they don't get all flustered when they see it across the board. My local meta is pretty relaxed too, thankfully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3915878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostrowulf Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I realise that you said that the model wasn't yours Karak, but that model is an interesting one when it comes to modeling for advantage. The meltas in the front obviously give it an advantage for trying to get to the half range, as a chunk of that half range isn't used up by your flyer. Conversely the hellfrost weaponry (on the transport, not the attack version) is on a turret normally, so having it fixed like that makes it harder to shoot that "bogey on your 6" if you will. Also, you do lose some versatility with the meltas, as, on my model they swing freely, showing greater arcs of fire, as apposed to a little more straight forward. Plus, with the machine spirit split firing, there is an argument to an advantage of the melta being farther back to hit a target almost beside you, while everything else fires forward, but I don't see that being a common situation, so not a great argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3917612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I agree with the above, having the helfrost cannons on a turret makes it a handy tailgun (as an aside, bogeys are unidentified, bandits are hostiles. Dad was a fighter pilot, and I grew up speaking the lingo, Hollywood never gets it right...). And having the meltas at the waist gives you the opportunity to take a shot at that pesky guy that gets to your 3 or 9 o'clock. Think AC130 gunship cone of death. True it's hardly a common occurrence, but one that has a high likelihood of occurring, given that zooming fliers move in straight lines and cannot make more than 1 90 degree pivot a turn. I like the model the way it is. That's why I didn't convert it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3917684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The one Kara shared looks similar to this one by Tommie Soul http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300076-stormwolf/?do=findComment&comment=3888080 He moved the Hellfrost under the wings but kept the melta where they belonged. I think I like the the Raven wings better than the stock ones. Someday I well get a pair of flying long ships. Will have to remember the wing swap when I do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301756-kitbashingconverting-helfrost-cannons/#findComment-3917685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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