eddmos Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I know the answer no, but this a model proxy would people really care question I am making my Ultramarine to work in a 30K and 40K army list eg. remove any stuff from 30K when playing 40k but I am wondering would people really really care if I use the GW land raider Kit... it looks same as the MK2B Land raider which forge sell and according the catologue that can he used in 30K games as well as being cheaper its esier to convert and add stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The Standard Land Raider (with 2 TL Lascannons and Heavy Bolter) is the LR Phobos; which is totally fine to use in 30k. Its even mentioned in the land raider entries. The only ones you aren't allowed to use are the Crusader, Redeemer and the others such as the Hyperios, iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddmos Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah I understand that, it just the basic one I wanted to ask about Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah, then its totally fine. No one should be able to say you can't use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I don't see a problem using the plastic kit. Lots of forge worlds producing all sort of different Mark vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddmos Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 I looking at the marks and seeing if they relase anything Ultramarine themed, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Anything Ultramarines should start a bit before or after they release the Calth book within which they will feature prominently. Forgeworld does, however, have some non-Legion Ultramarines stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah Ultramarine stuff will probally start to appear with the next book, we will probally see pics before they come available, still legions from Extermination in need of love in terms of kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah ... here are the LR's useful for 30k games: Land Raider Proteus http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/proteuso4li8257vp.jpg Land Raider Armoured Proteus http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/armouredproteucpoe17id94.jpg Land Raider Phobos mkIIb http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/mkiibfi718mwzsx.jpg Land Raider Phobos mkivc (the GW plastic LR) http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/99120101061spa031f7s5czj.jpg Land Raider Achilles http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/achilleswyestbgufv.jpg Land Raider Achilles Alpha http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/achillesalpha5lpdem1xiv.jpg pictures from Forgeworld/Gamesworkshop HP's Edit: So YES, oc you can use all vehicle kits from GW ... these are just mars pattern tanks, while forgeworlds are deimos or anvilus ... but you can use all of these in 30k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The Land Raider you're talking about is a later model in the Heresy after they've managed to streamline the design. Like the standard GW rhino, it's perfectly acceptable for the Heresy. From a modeling perspective Heresy games are about the look of you infantry, not so much the tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The only ones you aren't allowed to use are the Crusader, Redeemer and the others such as the Hyperios, iirc. the funny thing, Mechanicum LR's may be configured like a Redeemer :> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Who knows, maybe they retcon the Crusader to have been developed before the heresy and forgotten about afterwards till M39 when someone else "invented" it. Or micromanaging Papa Smurf forbid it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The only ones you aren't allowed to use are the Crusader, Redeemer and the others such as the Hyperios, iirc. the funny thing, Mechanicum LR's may be configured like a Redeemer :> The mechanicum Land Raider is just plain silly; looking at what it can/cannot take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just wondering but can the land raider in 30k do anything diffrent from the one in 40k? The stock Land raider in 40k is generally considered to be pretty bad is that the case for 30k as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Mostly it can take Armored Ceramite making it immune to the Melta Special Rule. Its also the only assault Land Raider Bar the Spartan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Who knows, maybe they retcon the Crusader to have been developed before the heresy and forgotten about afterwards till M39 when someone else "invented" it. Or micromanaging Papa Smurf forbid it. I'm somewhat doubtful, considering hurricane bolters have made no appearance in 30k, despite GW seeming to shoehorn them in everywhere in 40k Never really liked them myself - besides, what's the point when avenger bolt cannons are readily available? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 40k. The only universe where you make a better gun by stapling ordinary guns to each other... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 40k. The only universe where you make a better gun by stapling ordinary guns to each other...Huh? Twin-linking and more has been used IRL (mainly on aircraft and AA guns) and three bolters are always better than one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 IIRC, the plastic GW rhino, land raider (phobos), bike and land speeder all existed during the heresy. They are called "mars pattern", and are less advanced but easier to produce and mantain than their 30k-only counterparts, which is why they survived 10k years. Pretty much like the Indomitus pattern TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Aside from AA guns, most of the time, it's better to increase a gun's rate of fire or velocity, rather than just slap two together. Anyway, this is a digression... 40k. The only universe where you make a better gun by stapling ordinary guns to each other...Huh? Twin-linking and more has been used IRL (mainly on aircraft and AA guns) and three bolters are always better than one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Aside from AA guns, most of the time, it's better to increase a gun's rate of fire or velocity, rather than just slap two together. Anyway, this is a digression...It is usually more efficient (in terms of weight and space requirement) to increase the rate of fire, but that does not mean that using more guns is not effective. Also you can increase a single gun's rate of fire only so much and the heat emission of more shots/time in a single gun is more difficult to manage than the heat emission of the same amount of shots/time spread across two guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddmos Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I thought when I asked this I would get the snob hobbyist would be like " no you can't that type of pattern was't around so you can't" but glad people on here arn't like that XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I thought when I asked this I would get the snob hobbyist would be like " no you can't that type of pattern was't around so you can't" but glad people on here arn't like that XD The Heresy is all about weird, unusual styles of 40K vehicles the Codexes are to narrow to allow. You'll find a lot of modeling opportunities for space marines by breaking out of the mold of rhinos and land raiders. Want as massive transport for 40 marines? Convert up a counts as storm lord. There are plenty of very good looking armies that mix forge world and GW kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Basic rule of thumb: If it's a plastic vehicle kit in 40k, then it's called a Mars pattern vehicle in 30k. Cheaper and easier to reproduce, but lacking the artistry, advanced tech, and spirit of the older vehicles (Such as the Proteus). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3916791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 There is an image of a '40k' Land Raider in one of the books, IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301818-gw-workshop-land-raider-in-30k/#findComment-3917490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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