Any new info on the Book Order?

[Marshal Rohr]

They could easily if FW provides doctrines.

[Brother Heinrich]

I wouldn't put much stock in seeing more legion lists until regular Imperial Army, Dark Mechanicum, Custodes, and SoSilence come out. The 1Ksons may get an alternative list as well.

See that's freaking garbage to me. There's a much larger fanbase for Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Ultramarines than there are for the armies you just mentioned. I hate that suddenly they've shifted their focus to all these niche armies instead of the major 18 players.

[The Red Thirst]

In their defense, to them its a god send... think about it, Forgeworld are under alot of pressure to "get it right" with the popular legions that all these little bits in between give other sections in their office more time to hit the nail on the head.... its like stalling, but in a good way, they are doing it for our benefit.

Besides id rather have the entire heresy fleshed out as opposed to "here's your Legions, bye bye" 

[helterskelter]

Come on if they release all the popular stuff first itd lessen interest in the niche stuff. Solar auxilia have done quite well out of their in the middle release. As have ad mech (though those robots are just awesome). So can you imagine how many £ Signs they'll get in their eyes once a legions unleashed. I'd call that sales tactics. As well as them saying they want to do these legions proper justice, which is significantly more than you get compared to any 40k release.

[KBA]

I had a very small taste of what the OP seems to be going through. Waiting two books for Raven Guard in Extermination was pretty painful. Especially as new units for the first three Book 1 legions came with book 2, I understood the need for them, but I wanted my shiny new toys, and I wanted them now. The worst part was you really were gambling with your fluff and design possibly not matching what Forge World would make 'official' if that's also important to you. I had to write in work-arounds when Book 3 finally hit even with a huge departure from the main body of RG survivors in my story I established. So I imagine that, stretched out even more if it's looking like your legion is more than a few books away, would be pretty damn frustrating.

 

Have all the books been planned/announced? I can totally see Forge World getting all the Legions out, and then adding a few more books giving everyone more toys.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

I wouldn't put much stock in seeing more legion lists until regular Imperial Army, Dark Mechanicum, Custodes, and SoSilence come out. The 1Ksons may get an alternative list as well.

 

See that's freaking garbage to me. There's a much larger fanbase for Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Ultramarines than there are for the armies you just mentioned. I hate that suddenly they've shifted their focus to all these niche armies instead of the major 18 players.

Wait, I don't understand. There are going to be two books this year. 5 and 6. That's the potential to finish everyone except wolves and thousand sons. That's also the potential to do Dark Mechanicum and mainline auxilia. It's up to FW to shoehorn the Dark Angels and White Scars into a book about the Shadow Crusade and Underworld War, but if they do it they will do it well :D.

 

 

Calth 1/Signus - Ultras Angels Army

Calth 2/Sarum/Something White Scar - Scars Angels Dark Mech

 

Problem solved, before Christmas. Leaving only Wolves and 1K Sons.

[Athrawes]

While Blood Angels and Dark Angels could work (since they both end up in Ultramar for unremembered empire and could definitely fit in a book themed around the shadow crusade), I still think that White Scars makes more sense with Thousand Sons and Wolves because of the second battle of Prospero.

[Tymell]

 

I wouldn't put much stock in seeing more legion lists until regular Imperial Army, Dark Mechanicum, Custodes, and SoSilence come out. The 1Ksons may get an alternative list as well.

 

I hate that suddenly they've shifted their focus to all these niche armies instead of the major 18 players.

There have been 3 books with 4 legions each, and now 1 book which was explicitly stated to be a chance to catch up on outstanding models. Even the next book is not intended to focus on non-Legion forces, it's just about a conflict that only involves one new Legion.

 

So there isn't any sudden shifting of focus, just a slowing down of pace to allow good coverage of the background material, and so we don't end up with an enormous backlog of models.

[Marshal Rohr]

It's pointless to try and do the Scars after Prospero when their is a battle they fight during the Phase One time frame. Prospero should be the capstone of Phase One and round out all the Legions and allied armies. By doing Calth/Signus as a book and Underworld War-Shadow Crusade/Sarum/Alpha Legion Void Ambush of White Scars, you only need one section in each book to update the traitors, 2 sections on uncovered legions in each book, and a section on Auxilia and Mechanicum. All of that can fit in the space slotted in precious books for army background.

[Spinsanity]

If FW had ever intended to release only rulesbooks, they'd have done so already... Their books detail campaigns, and therefore they won't just cram everything into a single book just so people stop complaining about missing legions.

 

Besides, they already can't get everything out in a timely manner, how much backlog would they end up with if they suddently released rules for the last 6 legions? The only thing I wish they'd release already would be shoulder pads for the remaining legions...

[Athrawes]

 The only thing I wish they'd release already would be shoulder pads for the remaining legions...

 

I actually believe this was mentioned as "under discussion" during the last weekender.

[Spinsanity]

 

The only thing I wish they'd release already would be shoulder pads for the remaining legions...

 

 

I actually believe this was mentioned as "under discussion" during the last weekender.

although pads for the missing legions would be interesting too ;)

[Theredknight]

I'd like to get my teeth into thousand sons, and hope for some really good legion specific units and traits, in that book I'd expect to see for them:

 

Magnus

Ahriman

'Insert legion character here'

 

Sekhmet possibly (brotherhood of psykers unit thingy)

Scarab occult terminators

Spire guard list

 

Very unlikely - psychic Titan

 

Legion traits

Legion rite of war.

[simison]

The only thing I wish they'd release already would be shoulder pads for the remaining legions...

I actually believe this was mentioned as "under discussion" during the last weekender.

although pads for the missing legions would be interesting too

I suppose I should inform FW of the Warden's legion symbol, then.

[Brother Heinrich]

While it would be awesome to have the Signus book come out this year and shut me up, it still feels like they've basically mirrored the novel series. They released the first few books to resounding success, upon realizing the market for this they saw that they could slow things down and milk the fans for every freaking cent, knowing that we'll all buy the super-awesome slipcover editions and all the random new resin goodness they put out.

 

But despite all this we're barely past Istvaan V, both in the Game and in the Novel series, it's been what, 9 years now since all this started? Thats just beyond frustrating. Especially since like KBA mentioned, when you want to play a legion that doesn't have rules yet, every new toy that the other legions get just rubs salt in the wound and makes you go, "MUST BE NICE DEATH GUARD."

[Tymell]

But despite all this we're barely past Istvaan V, both in the Game and in the Novel series, it's been what, 9 years now since all this started?

Actually, within the novel series we're quite a way past that. There are stories that hop back and forth of course, but as a whole the timeline is progressing, and is currently into 31,010. Isstvan III was 31,005, Isstvan V was 31,006, and Terra is 31,014.

 

Am I saying it'll be another 8/9 years until Terra? Maybe, maybe not. The point I'm making is more a refutation of the constant insistance that the timeline isn't moving, the story isn't progressing, etc etc etc, when it is. The problem is that the only solid points of reference prior to the series were the beginning (Isstvan) and the end (Terra), making it hard to see.

[Emperor's Furor]

Only took two years for the game to catch up to the novels.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I said early on that they were going to stretch the HH novel series to 50 books, but given that there's already 30 of them and we're nowhere near Terra, that may have been a conservative estimate.

 

This very thing with FW and the rules for the Legions is exactly why I switched from V Legion to VIII Legion.

[Emperor's Furor]

The issue with the staggered release of legions is why I've had trouble committing to just one legion. It's not the rules but it's the background and the models and everything that gets me into the legion, my favourite legion was the Imperial Fists, but I found I couldn't paint yellow, and I disliked the black templarication of the legion as a whole.

[Slips]

Which is why I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky to have joined the Heresy Ship/Train/Crew a month of two before Extermination was released!

 

That said, my two other Primaris Choice Legions, the Thousand Sons and Blood Angels have me dying inside a bit with the wait....

 

Then again, I'd rather they come out later rather than sooner since this recent flurry of Imperial Fists releases has left/will leave my bank high and dry.

[The Red Thirst]

While it would be awesome to have the Signus book come out this year and shut me up, it still feels like they've basically mirrored the novel series. They released the first few books to resounding success, upon realizing the market for this they saw that they could slow things down and milk the fans for every freaking cent, knowing that we'll all buy the super-awesome slipcover editions and all the random new resin goodness they put out.

But despite all this we're barely past Istvaan V, both in the Game and in the Novel series, it's been what, 9 years now since all this started? Thats just beyond frustrating. Especially since like KBA mentioned, when you want to play a legion that doesn't have rules yet, every new toy that the other legions get just rubs salt in the wound and makes you go, "MUST BE NICE DEATH GUARD."

Believe me sir, I know this pain all too well and if not for GW releasing the new BA dex it would be a long drawn out wait indeed. However we must be patient, jumping up and down demanding a book from Forgeworld wont make it come out any faster.

If I remember correctly after the release of Betrayal, Signus was meant to be something like Book 3 or 4, but as the series took shape they realised that it was going to be far larger than they originally thought and so it was pushed back. Was I annoyed by this, sure, but being annoyed and frustrated about something completely beyond your control is a waste of time and effort.

Be thankful in the knowledge that we know it is coming and let our brothers [and traitors ] enjoy their shiny toys for now

Our time in the spotlight will come, be sure of that.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I'm just glad that the handful of otherwise vastly over-represented Legions get equal treatment to all the others - FW doesn't pick favourites, so its nice that the other Legions get their breif moment in the sun

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

 my favourite legion was the Imperial Fists, but I found I couldn't paint yellow

 

Then don't paint them yellow...

[Silent Observant]

Do you think that after they complete all the legions, they will continue to make new specific units and vehicles for the legions besides, deamon and warp, but for legions like the loyalists?

[Balthamal]

Thought I'd mention it again since people are getting itchy but the last time this was spoken about with the writers themselves, Calth is definitely next. Vol VI was tentatively pencilled in to be a Shadow Crusade book leaving Inferno (Wolves/1k Sons/Custodes/Sisters of Silence/Spireguard) and the rumoured DA/BA combined volume as Vol VII and VIII respectively. Whether that's changed or not, who knows but anyone going to the weekender should make a point of querying it.

 

There was talk of attempting to include the White Scars somewhere in those 2 volumes but unless something is released subsequent to Scars to make it justified I'd be against that happening, regardless of how I'd prefer the Legions to have their rules out for the sake of everyone else.

 

As for Conquest, if you look at the books they were putting out and the models that were/still are not available from them, it was a good inclusion. I swear people forget that Betrayal had so much generic Legion stuff to get out that Extermination was released without the majority of the Massacre models done (Still waiting on Sev - damn)