KBA Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think the unfortunate reality is that Forge World isn't so much concerned when the DA, BA, and SW players spend $$$ on their heresy products, but more so that they will spend $$$. Those are pretty huge, popular aces to have up your sleeve. As long as their Horus Heresy series proves to sell well, they are in the advantageous position of being able to waltz their way through the Istvaan campaign, stop to smell the roses as they throw out conquest to introduce Solar, and then hop and skip into Calth -- which I think will become two books (which won't be back-to-back). They can have their cake and eat it too, and really spend time establishing a beach head to invade your wallet on less popular legions, other factions, and then release more units for those armies because they know deep down in your heart of hearts no matter what you've decided to buy up through now and until they're released, if you've got mad love for Dark Angels, Blood Angels, or Space Wolves, you will splash cash when they finally hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 They split Istvaan into two nicely. Hopefully they do the same with Calth. First book culminates with the irradiation of Calth, as in Know No Fear. Second book focuses split on battles throughout Ultramar & the Underground War. Plenty of scope in the first book for Legion work, plenty of scope for Mechanicum and Auxilia forces in the second book. Works out smashingly imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 As I understand it, the plan was for the BA and DA to be included in the same volume dealing with the events at Signus Prime and a hereto unknown campaign of the Dark Angels (As much as I'd like it to be Thramas, seems a bit too narrow in focus) With the advent of Imperium Secundus becoming a more developed thread I'd advocate the inclusion of both Legions in a volume portraying events there but given how crucial Signus is to the IX Legion I think we can rule it out. Personally, I'd like to see Calth/The Underworld War/Shadow Crusade covered in a single volume, even if that volume is even bigger than Conquest just so everything related to the XIII and the Ultrama army units/titans/knights can be kept in the same place. And daemon Angron of course, can't forget him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hopefully, Signus will have been released by the time they release a second Calth/Shadow Crusade book, that way they mention aimperium Secundus and introduce the DA, mentionning the Thramas Crusade (and thus a reason to give NLs some love too) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 NL's need only atramentar. In my opinion anyway. Could sneak that into any book, heck sneak it in on imperium secondus. Most are in the DA flagship anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Well the DAs were scheduled to be attacking Sarum I believe (World Eater's main Forgeworld) which might have them fighting AdMech, World Eaters, or both. However, I remember a little nugget from Vengeful Spirit. When Horus and Mortarion are talking, Horus mentions he feels bad for the DAs as Morty and his Legion are going to break off and go fight them. They don't know, however, that Corswain is in charge of those forces, not the Lion. So possibly a DA/DG fight? Though it's not like the DG need more models :angry But maybe that's where Typhon tricks Morty in the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 @deptcharge: That Sarum thing is quite interesting. Mind to tell me the source? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 @deptcharge: That Sarum thing is quite interesting. Mind to tell me the source? It was mentioned at one of the past FW seminars I believe. I'm sorry I can't do better than that since I wasn't there, but to the best of my knowledge, that is what was in store for the DAs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 @deptcharge: That Sarum thing is quite interesting. Mind to tell me the source? It was mentioned at one of the past FW seminars I believe. I'm sorry I can't do better than that since I wasn't there, but to the best of my knowledge, that is what was in store for the DAs. Thank you :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 To fit everything in two books before Prospero you'd need Ultras, Blood Angels, Imperial Army (traitors and loyalists), and Daemons in book 5. Dark Angels, Scars, and Dark Mechanicum in book 6. That would be easily achievable, but just out FW back in the position if being backlogged models wise. If they did that, they'd have to ONLY do Prosperi next year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And here I was, thinking one of the selling points of FW's book was the lore and narrative driving the rules... Seems people don't care about the story as long as they get rules for their Legion. Cramming everything in one or two books would mean being skimpy on the background, which I'd rather they avoid. I understand that most would disagree, but I hope the lore in the next books won't feel like it was sabotaged just so they could cram more rules in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And here I was, thinking one of the selling points of FW's book was the lore and narrative driving the rules... Seems people don't care about the story as long as they get rules for their Legion. Cramming everything in one or two books would mean being skimpy on the background, which I'd rather they avoid. I understand that most would disagree, but I hope the lore in the next books won't feel like it was sabotaged just so they could cram more rules in. Not true. If FW spent the same amount if pages on Ultras, Blood Angels, Imperial Army, and a Daemon list in Book 5 that they did on the other Legions, Solar Auxilia, and Knights you'd have more space for a Calth and Signus Overview and Campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And here I was, thinking one of the selling points of FW's book was the lore and narrative driving the rules... Seems people don't care about the story as long as they get rules for their Legion. Hardly, we also want the detailed lore from the Index Astartes-esque segments the other Legions have got . I want to know more of the minutia of how the BAs, SWs etc. were organised during the Legion days, how and why they deviated from the original Terran organisation pattern and what quirks of heraldry they adopted as the Crusade continued. That's far more interesting and substantial to my mind than a sampling of the bush wars Horus fought after plan 'wipe out the loyalists in the opening salvo then bum rush Terra' didn't pan out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 When I went to the seminar at the last Gamesday it was said the Blood Angels would be in the same book as the Dark Angels, along with Daemons and Dark Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 FW penned a whole book on Istvaan III, and two more for Istvaan V, and yet people figure Calth and the whole Shadow Crusade / fight for the 500 worlds should fit in a single volume!? I too care about legion lore, of course (can hardly wait for info on the IXth!), I just don't want Calth to be turned into a simple codex-style two page spread just so they can switch focus to Prospero more quickly... + Edit : Just reread my post when I saw it quoted by Atia and realized how much the damned virtual keyboard on my iPad had mangled my text... :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 FW penned a whole book on Istvaan III, and two more for Istvaan V, and yet people figure Calth and the whole Shadow Crusade / fight for the 500 worlds should fit in a single volume!? I too care about legion lore, pf course (ca hardly wait for info on the IXth!), I just don't want Capth to be turned into a simple codex-style two page just so they can switch focus to Prospero more quickly... that's! also, you don't need rules for DA/BA/SW/WS/UM to represent their "core" units/tanks ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If they'd bring out the shoulder pads for all the legions I think it would be good cause then the core of the legions could be done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If they'd bring out the shoulder pads for all the legions I think it would be good cause then the core of the legions could be done. I agree; they would also serve nicely as a way to customize your 40k Space Marines too. Its not like they'd take that much work to make either. Right..? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If they'd bring out the shoulder pads for all the legions I think it would be good cause then the core of the legions could be done. I agree; they would also serve nicely as a way to customize your 40k Space Marines too. Its not like they'd take that much work to make either. Right..? yop, and if i remember it right, that's the plan of forgeworld atleast that's what they said during the last weekender :/ (and i would love it to get some tactical symbols too .... destroyer or skull shoulder pads <3) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I just want my Dark Angel rules sooo badly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3921839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Technically you don't even need the shoulder pads for the BA/DA/UM there's plenty of transfers and etched brass as alternatives. And I agree on the core model idea. Judging the other 12 Legions covered none of the Legion exclusive stuff is going to completely overtake a list. Even things like Night Lords Terror Squads that are compulsory choices with a RoW don't really compete with the basic blocks of Tactical Marines. Best advice is start a collection and add to it as time goes on, 90% of the stuff will always have a use if you like it anyway Back on topic, it was mentioned that Vol V was aimed at April/May with a possible Vol VI in December/January 2016. Given everything that's gone before, I'd take that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3922012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think with that Gal Vorbak contemptor that the next book will be Calth. It will probably be previewed in February or even on sale for a limited amount/up for pre sale. The book will likely be out in spring time - usually near Easter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3922027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 We could easily see more than just UM and expanded WB in Tempest, too. I don't think it would be unreasonable to see Blood Angels from Signus and maybe some daemonic units/a small 30k daemons list that also ties into what's going on on Calth. Conquest managed to cover a ton of engagements through an entire system, two lists with fluff, and a whole campaign system. And Extermination covered the massive Phall engagement, end of Isstvan V, and Paramar on top of 4 legions and the Taghmata list, PLUS some titan legion fluff. It's only taken about 24-26 pages per Legion for fluff and 8-10 pages for rules so far (going off the latest format from Extermination), out of what are getting closer to 300 page books... so we'll see. They could come up with any number of introductory engagements to introduce a Legion, kind of like Phall for the IF which was kind of out of nowhere a bit, although awesome. If it's not in the first Calth book, whatever book after Tempest will probably get it done and at least get us DA/BA. The weekender needs to happen sooner... I GOTS TA KNOW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3922048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 FW penned a whole book on Istvaan III, and two more for Istvaan V, and yet people figure Calth and the whole Shadow Crusade / fight for the 500 worlds should fit in a single volume!? I too care about legion lore, of course (can hardly wait for info on the IXth!), I just don't want Calth to be turned into a simple codex-style two page spread just so they can switch focus to Prospero more quickly... I'm guessing you're an Ultramarines player? I understand the Shadow Crusade and fight for the 500 was a huge conflict that lasted a long time, but it doesn't deserve as much attention as the events of Istvaan for two main reasons: 1. It only involves three legions (mainly)--two of which have already received attention--so it isn't as useful to FW to get rules/models out 2. It has no where near as much pathos for Imperium as a whole than the events of Istvaan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3922077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 All of the Heresy deserves heavy fluff books, let's not kid ourselves. The issue now is that the four legions who have a large 40k following are untouched for models. This isn't about how much space to devote to the stories, it's about how much longer people have to wait to do their armies. It's a valid complaint and hopefully one FW will put some fuel on the fire and crank these books and models out faster than twice a year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301935-any-new-info-on-the-book-order/page/4/#findComment-3922080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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