rgr_maddog Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 When taking 2 or more detachments in my army, I can have one GH per detachment bearing a wolf standard, each with a 6 inch +1 attack bubble. Now suppose each standard bearing GH squad from each detachment was in a Rhino flanking a unit of TWC to screen its charge across the board. The six inch bubbles would be emanating from the Rhinos and overlapping the TWC. Would the TWC unit stack the +1 attack bonus from each standard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Does it say one per detachment or one per army? If per detachment, then it would be possible, since nothing is said about it not being able to stack. If it is one per army, then it won't work :P I do not have the codex with me right now, so can't check it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3920485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 I always thought it was one per Army, but no, it's one per detachment. I'm sure I only read it once after first getting the codex, still being new to 7th and not fully understanding the differences between an army, faction, detachment, or formation, and disregarded it until now out of spite for the loss of the old standard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3920500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrogzc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I imagine... 3 CADs, 3 banners, TWC in the middle receiving 3 attacks each. Difficult but extremely cheesy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarog Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 it does indeed only say "one grey hunter per detachment may take a wolf standard". you may get some moaning from some people but its perfectly withing what is listed in the codex and the wolf standard description also doesnt mention anything about stacking or "to a maximum of.." ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Once you reach a certain point, TWC are dead weight and you should just get another GH pack with banner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Very interesting little opportunity to exploit there, provided you were considering running multiple Detachments anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I'm goin to call BS on multi stacking WS cheese. I'm pretty sure in general you can't stack bonuses that have the same (type) of source. I know if an opponent tried to pull that on me I'd probably shake his/her hand and concede game and go find someone reasonable to play with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I'm goin to call BS on multi stacking WS cheese. I'm pretty sure in general you can't stack bonuses that have the same (type) of source. I know if an opponent tried to pull that on me I'd probably shake his/her hand and concede game and go find someone reasonable to play with. This isn't remotely as broken as it sounds. You are going to have TWC with potentially up to 9A per model. Wow, great. This still does not fix the issue that the Rhinos transporting the banners can be dealt with turn 1 or, in case of pods, the banners can be killed before TWC can charge. On top of that, TWC are still as fragile to S7 spam as they were with 6A per model. And finally, this setup requires a lot of mandatory choices. You are going to end up with pretty much only TWC and GH, not exactly a stellar force, especially considering that transports are easily removed. ++Deleted++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 My stomach hurts from laughing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 That is unnecessarily sexist though Immy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 @immusturm If that's how you like to play... One man's "clever use of rules" is another (wo)man's lame power gaming cheese. If your meta would put up with that malarkey, great. I just don't play that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 That is unnecessarily sexist though Immy My apologies to all the bad-ass (wargaming) women out there. I just wanted to emphasize a point by going back on a popular stereotype. You girls rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 @immusturm If that's how you like to play... One man's "clever use of rules" is another (wo)man's lame power gaming cheese. If your meta would put up with that malarkey, great. I just don't play that way. Well, I just pointed out that this combo isn't as broken to begin with. Things that really cross my line is rule bending because of exact wording. But I do not see issues with more attacks in melee, especially since melee isn't as strong these days. Power gaming would look a tad more differently, in my eyes anyway. But still, nobody is forcing you to play anything. You do not like that? Do not play it. but please, do not run around declaring things broken, just because it does not fit your view. Some people enjoy that, so why bother them? No offense meant, bro. You're cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Fair 'nuff! Fair 'nuff! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3921902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 again, TWC are not a great addition to this build. Best way to go would be a main detachment of non SW and then as many dirt cheap SW allied detachments as possible. A naked WGPL, 5 GHs, and a banner. Plus maybe transports (pods or rhinos). You want to get like +5 or more attacks per model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 once you're at +5 attacks per model, 40 points for a 10 attack TWC is nice but 14 points for an 8 attack GH seems even better... Especially seeing as it is buffing tHe OTHER GH units nearby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 again, TWC are not a great addition to this build. Best way to go would be a main detachment of non SW and then as many dirt cheap SW allied detachments as possible. A naked WGPL, 5 GHs, and a banner. Plus maybe transports (pods or rhinos). You want to get like +5 or more attacks per model. Then how are you going to handle Tanks and the linked. With Fists? Fair enough, but then you still have the problem of transportation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I am kinda just thinking of this as a purely theoretical exercise. Ie how to maximise the effect of stacking grey hunters. If you start interjecting with real life concerns then this whole enterprise starts getting pointless pretty quick, hehe. I mean, you need your opponent to agree to play you right? I spotted the 1 per detachment on first reading of the new Dex but disregarded it. Partly because it is so cheesy and partly because I figured there must be a rule invalidating it, given that nobody else jumped on iy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I dunno, how highly does this register on everyone's cheese-ometer? Say... Ulrik and two grey hunters packs in pods, from separate detachments, with stacking banners. would you feel ashamed fielding something like this? Ie a relatively toned down version? Would you be mad if your opponent was doing it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I dunno, how highly does this register on everyone's cheese-ometer? Say... Ulrik and two grey hunters packs in pods, from separate detachments, with stacking banners. would you feel ashamed fielding something like this? Ie a relatively toned down version? Would you be mad if your opponent was doing it? I think I'd feel better about fielding my grey hunters, but yes, also woried about the cheese-ometer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 You have to be within 6" of each Bearer for it to stack. So you need to keep 2-3 tight formations to pull it off. Any one have a Vindicator or multiple pie plates to throw at this blob? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 would you feel ashamed fielding something like this? Ie a relatively toned down version? Would you be mad if your opponent was doing it? Yes and yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 You have to be within 6" of each Bearer for it to stack. So you need to keep 2-3 tight formations to pull it off. Any one have a Vindicator or multiple pie plates to throw at this blob? That's one of the many disadvantages, the other being so many points in grey hunters. Add to that 50 (or more) points in standards. I don't think it's very competitive, let alone game-breaking, but thought it might be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 It would be hard and expensive to make it work and easy to disrupt with a large ap2/ap3 blast. On the cheap for 2 attachments you need 4 squads and 2 HQs. 300 points Ulrik Grey Hunters (standard) Bloodclaws 205 points WGBL Grey Hunters (standard) Bloodclaws Running off memory for points. That's bare bones, no transports or power weapons. If you skip Ulrik for a 2nd WGBL you could fit 2 Rhinos and 1 power weapon or 2 specials for around 500. Looks really fragil to me Edit: :cuss phone auto correct Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302016-wolf-standard-question/#findComment-3922266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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