Vector Strikes vs Imperial Knight's invulnerable save

[brother_contagion]

I've got a few questions regarding Heldrakes Vector Striking Knights. Since I don't own the Knight Codex and haven't had the chance to encounter one with my Heldrake, I had the following questions in my mind:

 

1) From my understanding is the Knight must declare what facing it's invulnerable save will be applied to at the beginning of the enemy's shooting phase, does this carry all the way over into their turn and then into my next movement phase, then the player can choose a new armor facing?

 

2) If the above is correct, and the previous armor value protected was it's side and my Heldrake Vector Strikes it, since Vector Strikes are against side armor, does the Knight still get the invulnerable save since only one side is protected? I'm assuming the rules for Vector Strikes means it hit's both sides of the vehicle.

 

3) If #2 is correct, would it be best to say the Knight still gets the invulnerable save or should it be based on which side the Heldrake was closest to?

[jeffersonian000]

Vector Strikes are not range attacks, therefore a Knight's Ion Shield has no effect.

 

SJ

[BassWave]

That was easy. Although I have a similar question over barrage weapons hitting the knight. It's essentially the same scenario, the difference being that it actually is a shooting attack.

[brother_contagion]

Ah ok, gotcha, didn't think about that.

[jeffersonian000]

The Knight get's its shield versus a Barrage if the Shield is facing the firing unit. Just because you measure front the blast center for cover does not mean everything else is measured from the center.

 

SJ

[Kristoff]

The Knight get's its shield versus a Barrage if the Shield is facing the firing unit. Just because you measure front the blast center for cover does not mean everything else is measured from the center.

 

SJ

Well, it does for Wound Allocation, so hitting the opposite side with Barrage SHOULD bypass the Shield.

[jeffersonian000]

 

The Knight get's its shield versus a Barrage if the Shield is facing the firing unit. Just because you measure front the blast center for cover does not mean everything else is measured from the center.

 

SJ

Well, it does for Wound Allocation, so hitting the opposite side with Barrage SHOULD bypass the Shield.

The only effect Barrage has on vehicles is that Side AV is used for pen. The actual facing the blast hits is immaterial. Since facing does matter with the Ion Shield, and the shot still arrives from a specific facing, the Ion Shield does work as written. The issue that confused people is that they assume too much is covered by the Barrage rules, when all Barrage does change is how cover is determined and which AV is used for pen; all other rules for shooting still apply.

 

SJ

[Kristoff]

The only effect Barrage has on vehicles is that Side AV is used for pen. The actual facing the blast hits is immaterial. Since facing does matter with the Ion Shield, and the shot still arrives from a specific facing, the Ion Shield does work as written. The issue that confused people is that they assume too much is covered by the Barrage rules, when all Barrage does change is how cover is determined and which AV is used for pen; all other rules for shooting still apply.

 

SJ

It also affects the origin point for Wound Allocation, so it SHOULD also affect which side.

 

The rules are not clear that it does for Vehicles, though, especially since very few things care which Side is hit.

 

Chalk it up to another point of ignorance that GW has for their own process. They really should set up an action/rule/affect tree to help themselves keep track.

[jeffersonian000]

 

The only effect Barrage has on vehicles is that Side AV is used for pen. The actual facing the blast hits is immaterial. Since facing does matter with the Ion Shield, and the shot still arrives from a specific facing, the Ion Shield does work as written. The issue that confused people is that they assume too much is covered by the Barrage rules, when all Barrage does change is how cover is determined and which AV is used for pen; all other rules for shooting still apply.

 

SJ

It also affects the origin point for Wound Allocation, so it SHOULD also affect which side.

 

The rules are not clear that it does for Vehicles, though, especially since very few things care which Side is hit.

 

Chalk it up to another point of ignorance that GW has for their own process. They really should set up an action/rule/affect tree to help themselves keep track.

Except it does tell you which side, and that side is the Side AV. Front, Side, or Rear, it is always Side AV. Direction of the shot, which matters to Ion Shield facing, versus wound allocation, which has no effect on vehicles. It's pretty clear, actually.

 

SJ

[Kristoff]

Except it does tell you which side, and that side is the Side AV. Front, Side, or Rear, it is always Side AV. Direction of the shot, which matters to Ion Shield facing, versus wound allocation, which has no effect on vehicles. It's pretty clear, actually.

 

SJ

Which, if it bothered to consider the same mechanic as Wound Allocation for direction of hit, WOULD matter. And I did point out that it's not clear that it DOES do that for Vehicles, or in other words, there is nothing that says it applies for which side when hitting a Vehicle.

[Captain Coolpants]

Yeah this is just a rule that hasn't had all the scenarios played out. Because it simply says hits the side, doesn't even say which side, the blast could only clip the front, but it's still the side armour.

 

So we can only assume that it's both sides at the same time.

 

 

I suppose you could house rule it, roll a D6, on a 1,2,3, it's the shield side. On a, 4,5,6, it's the non-sheilded side?

 

Just a suggestion ^_^

[jeffersonian000]

Or you could just follow the actual rules as written.

 

SJ