Sisters and Templar allies

[BitsHammer]

With Sisters rumors abound my enthusiasm and interest in my army has of course kicked off once more (with fingers crossed of course) and my brain eventually snuck around to the idea of Sisters and Templars teaming up to kick Heretics in the face with a flaming boot.

 

So naturally I started to wonder if Sisters could pull off the Panda Armor color scheme. After making some tweaks to the colors a bit to invoke some classic Sisters themes (the white face plate as well as the the silver and gold trim/icons) here's what basically came out:

 

http://i.imgur.com/QPR9fLB.png

 

So yeah, I think it looks pretty decent on a Sister. Probably could play with it more (like red beads instead of gold), but the robes having more of a bone/cream color looks pretty good with the black and the white on the shoulders works (although silver may not stand out well enough, hence the gold there too).

 

So yeah, Sisters with a Templar style paint scheme could be a thing.

 

The only question really remains is: could there be a way to actually effectively blend the two armies without really shooting either in the foot to do it?

[The Red Thirst]

I think this is a great concept and love the colours, so long as GW doesnt change the sisters fluff into loving Psykers as much as the Black Templars do :wallbash:

 

Dont really see an issue with blending the 2 armies, the major difference being the Templars have their Cross and the Sisters have their Fleur de lis

[BitsHammer]

Symbols really isn't an issue to me. In my head I was already fluffing the Sisters as a Minor Order attached to a Crusade Fleet as part of a thing for the Ecclesiarchy.

 

And Sisters don't hate all Psykers. Just the ones not ordained by the Imperium. The untrained, dangerous ones who can accidently vomit up the warp itself and doom a planet.

 

Also I don't see Templars as "pro-psyker" as much as fairly indifferent on the idea since they don't have any and have decided that means the Emperor doesn't want them to have any.

[*Furyou Miko]

Templars are hardly pro-psyker. They still abhor the witch, just the same as Sisters. They just no longer stupidly pretend they don't need Navigators.

In terms of gameplay, the two are the most complementary of the Sisters/Marines matchups, with Templar Crusader squads benefitting from the Sisters' priests massively and bringing lots of Land Raiders.

[Naminé]

Build wise I would probably let the Sisters take on a pure anti-tank role whilst the Crusader squads deal with infantry.  Priests in all units would make this army terrifying!

[BitsHammer]

Build wise I would probably let the Sisters take on a pure anti-tank role whilst the Crusader squads deal with infantry. Priests in all units would make this army terrifying!

Terrifying and thematic!

[chaplain belisarius]

Really like that paint scheme!

[Malovence]

Honestly I'm inclined to borrow the idea Zion if you don't mind. I'm a huge fan of the Black Templars models but my huge Iron Hands leanings forbid me from deviating. I've never liked allies, for any of my armies, Always gone solo. Even detested allying in Inquisition for my Sisters, but this is something I can actually get on board with.

 

To me it seems somewhat feasible, that the Sisters could actually ally in real world terms with BTs albeit briefly. In game terms I think it could be decent, Priests help both armies, BTs can deal with combat, them also having Land Raiders would be of use to Repentia too.

[BitsHammer]

I'm more than willing to share the idea. I don't own any Templars right now as I don't know where I'm going with that just yet but a Knight is being added to my collection (going with the Melta one) to help support the army as well. Plus I could use another big scary thing to put on the table than my 3 Exorcists.

 

I haven't seen much in the way of Sisters allied to Templars so far and with them being the punchier Marines it kind of seems like the two could mix well to fill each others gaps simce Sisters like shooting more. Plus they mix well thematically.

 

I'm thinking of adding some bling to the Templars (to match them with the Sisters above with the gold trim on the shoulders and the like) as well just to tie them all together a little more.

[Firepower]

Templars and Sisters were born out of the same Heresy-Is-Bad period of GW, along with the old Demonhunters, so they get along great of course :)

Well, great-ish. As well as any Marines can be expected to I imagine. The new half-wit knock offs in C:SM probably get along with them even better, since they for some unimaginable reason have decided to accept the Imperial Creed en lieu of their own.

I suppose that really makes the case for sticking Priests in the Crusader Squads, too.

Anyway, black and white is sexy, no matter who wears it.

[BitsHammer]

Templars and Sisters were born out of the same Heresy-Is-Bad period of GW, along with the old Demonhunters, so they get along great of course

They get along a lot better now that Templars aren't atheists.

Well, great-ish. As well as any Marines can be expected to I imagine. The new half-wit knock offs in C:SM probably get along with them even better, since they for some unimaginable reason have decided to accept the Imperial Creed en lieu of their own.

Honestly I like Templars but I don't think the current version are knock-offs. It's not like they have psykers in every unit and became the new Grey Knights or something. Them not being atheists doesn't really change who they are so drastically that they aren't Templars anymore. At least not in my eyes.

I suppose that really makes the case for sticking Priests in the Crusader Squads, too.

Priests do look like a great addition to a Crusader Squad. Building Templars to benefit from their CC-oriented rules with Sisters to provide the ranged backup seems like a good combo. I just need to figure out how to best do it.

Anyway, black and white is sexy, no matter who wears it.

Well if you say so.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Grosser_Panda.JPG

[Firepower]

Well, great-ish. As well as any Marines can be expected to I imagine. The new half-wit knock offs in C:SM probably get along with them even better, since they for some unimaginable reason have decided to accept the Imperial Creed en lieu of their own.

Honestly I like Templars but I don't think the current version are knock-offs. It's not like they have psykers in every unit and became the new Grey Knights or something. Them not being atheists doesn't really change who they are so drastically that they aren't Templars anymore. At least not in my eyes.

Your eyes are wrong. :)

But I spend way (way, way, way) too much time going over this with people, even all this time after the sacrilege took place, so I'll just leave it at that. But as an interesting side note, I wouldn't say they were atheists. Sort of pseudo-animists in a sense. No, that's not quite right...anyway, the Templars acknowledged divinity as much as any Chapter: i.e. the Emperor is holy, he grants visions, acts through his sons and protects them, but He's not a God. Atheism denounces all of those concepts along with the notion of a deity.

Whatever, I'm being pedantic. Or perhaps...pandantic?

[BitsHammer]

You know that if they acknowledge his divinity they're acknowledging his divine status...which means they acknowledge him as a god.

Just getting a little pandantic back.

[Firepower]

You know that if they acknowledge his divinity they're acknowledging his divine status...which means they acknowledge him as a god.

Incorrect

This is a common narrowed misconceived definition in Abrahamic monotheistic (typically western) culture. A cross is considered holy, yet it is not a God. It is a symbol of divinity, and yes, a deity. So let's look at a shamanic fetish instead. Or a rock, as an animist would view it. Or a cow in some Hindu cultures. All divine, none of them gods. Divine is more accurately described as something imbued with significant spiritual significance.

As an aside, my Bachelors is actually in Religious Studies, and I would delightedly argue this til I'm blue in the face (well, fingers?), but it's neither entirely helpful nor entirely relevant to the matter at hand.

So anyway, the Panda Sister scheme looks good.

[BitsHammer]

We'll agree to disagree about the statement you made because otherwise we'll just argue until a mod calls Exterminatus.

And I agree about the Panda scheme being good on the Sisters. It takes a classic scheme for Sisters and puts a small spin on it that works well, and the cloth allows for shading on the model that just isn't as feasible on the white and black (seriously, I hate trying to put shading and highlights on them because it never looks 100% right). When I start adding Templars in I'll be following a similar scheme (gold shoulder pad trim) as a way to tie the two armies together as well as show how the two forces are influencing each other.

It's not like Templars don't already have some things that use the gold color anyways (like Helbretch) so it's not a huge departure from their classic look.

What I really need to do is nail a name for the Crusade proper. I mean all Crusade Fleets deserve a name of the Crusade they're waging after all.

[Firepower]

Gold may not offer enough contrast against white, even as a trim against the black base.  It may all just blur together.  Can't be sure though, and it depends on the shade of gold.

 

Helbrecht's gold armor is a point of long standing controversy :lol:

 

If you need any help on the black, I may know a thing or two. :D

[BitsHammer]

I own some Black Legion models and have been down that road before and was never really satisfied with any of the ways that I found to highlight them honestly. 

 

As for the gold I was thinking of a base Balthasar Gold with Gehenna's Gold over it as a highlight and using Auric Armor Gold as the final highlight (and maybe a dot of silver above that if I really need to pick things out even further). So the darkest gold would be right next to the white and would build up from there.

 

And you can argue over his armor all you want, but it's a standing tradition going back to when the model was released so I fail to see a true reason why it should be argued against. :P

 

Then again I play and army that mounted a missile launching organ on top of a tank so maybe I'm not the one to talk about things like "subtly".

[Duke Danse Macabre]

As a Templars player I already have a joint fleet in their forums with BFG ships on crusade in the ghoul stars.

It's by no means an original concept but it's a good solid idea that can be done time and time again.

 

 

Fulkes, do not dislike psykers, they love the ones they have in their fleets and where as they have no libarians they have taken this as a sign that they are not meant to but if they ever came back they would be welcomed.

However that said they see any psyker outside the control of the imperium as an abomination as they were the closest to the emperor and and have turned from his light and in doing so are a perversion of what they should be and in itself a heresy onto themselves.

 

 

Sisters do prefer any chapter without witches, only the Templars fit this requirement which is why they work so well together.

 

Templars are the only marines that worship the emperor as a divine being, others show reverence to him as their father and leader.

 

 

 

Back to crusades however mine is the Velheim Crusade, not sure if named after a ship or planet yet but was basing it around a ancient Templars fleet that has been lost to the warp and spat out isolated on the far side of the ghoul stars in orbit above a shrine world isolated and lost to the imperium guarded by sisters.

As black Templars have 8000 plus marines having a chapter strength lost fleet emerge us not a long shot, likely say a 31st millennium fleet so gives me some good time to build a good sized mixed BFG fleet and joint sisters force.