Marshal Rohr Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Is anyone aware of a source pointing the the Fall of the Eldar taking place around 800.M30? If my understanding of the timeline is correct, the Fall of the Eldar was what signaled the Emperor that Humanity would be able to conquer the stars, and leading him to begin the Unification Wars. BL indicates Unification took almost a millennia, so would that mean the Fall of the Eldar was actually closer to the beginning of M30 than the end? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I think you may have slightly misinterpreted the timeline. The Fall of the Eldar either coincided with the conclusion of the Unification Wars, or occurred just after. Basically the Emperor was busy getting Terra in order (The Unification Wars) and then once he had total control, created the Space Marine Legions in anticipation of the Fall, so he could begin the Great Crusade. As for the date itself, if it's not dead on 799.M30, it will be (at most) 1-2 years either side of it. The events of Horus Rising take place during the 203rd year of the Great Crusade. If you cross reference this with the Heresy timeline that they show at BL/FW events, it tells us that the events on Davin occurred during 004.M31. Taking into account warp travel and the like, Davin occurred up to two years after the events of Sixty-Three Nineteen, which places the date of the Fall at 799.M30. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3922703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 I believe you, but do you have that source though? I'm trying to compile a sourced timeline for community projects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3922707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There is a difference between the Fall of the Eldar, and Slaanesh's birth. The former occurred thousands of years before 30k, and triggered the Long Night. The latter concluded the Long Night, clearing up the storms that prevented FTL travel. It was the latter than galvanized the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3924905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arac Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Riddle me this: How can the birth of a chaos god in the warp be specified to an exact point in time, when the warp is defined as an entity without our understanding of space and time? On the other hand: How can the "fall of the eldar" - an event in our space, thus subject to time - trigger the birth of slaanesh in the warp when "there is no time". (I hope you get my point) Just wondering... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3925624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's a catch 22 and contradiction wrapped up in a conundrum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3926028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Galfridus Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Riddle me this: How can the birth of a chaos god in the warp be specified to an exact point in time, when the warp is defined as an entity without our understanding of space and time? On the other hand: How can the "fall of the eldar" - an event in our space, thus subject to time - trigger the birth of slaanesh in the warp when "there is no time". (I hope you get my point) Just wondering... The event happened in both realspace and the warp. Because of this it had to happen at some point in realtime because reality has those rules, but didn't have to in the warp because it doesn't have those rules. At the moment Slaanesh started to exist they had always existed. Because it is the warp and it does things like that which drive mortals mad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3926064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arac Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 ... The event happened in both realspace and the warp. Because of this it had to happen at some point in realtime because reality has those rules, but didn't have to in the warp because it doesn't have those rules. At the moment Slaanesh started to exist they had always existed. Because it is the warp and it does things like that which drive mortals mad. I get your point but consider the causality. Warp (no time): only 3 gods Realspace (yesterday): happy eldar Warp (no time): only 3 gods Realspace (today): sad eldar --> Warp (no time): 4 gods --> Warp = 3 gods = 4 gods --> there were always 4 gods except there wasn't I get that this is supposed to be unlogic because it is the warp and the warp should be confusing. But how can I propose a causal link between two events if one entity is sopposed to have a link between time and causality and the other entity is supposed to have no space, time or causality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3926421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The Chaos Gods are human emotion given form in the warp. So the time the Eldar's emotion was strong enough to birth Slaanesh can have a fixed time event in realspace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3926574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Don't forget, the humans created the other three gods within the span of the last thousand years. Makes much more sense if you don't think of the Gods as omnipresent, or once existing, always existing, which I never found any evidence to support. Time in the Warp fluctuates, twists, turns back on itself, loops about, but is not non-existent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3926637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arac Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Don't forget, the humans created the other three gods within the span of the last thousand years. Makes much more sense if you don't think of the Gods as omnipresent, or once existing, always existing, which I never found any evidence to support. Time in the Warp fluctuates, twists, turns back on itself, loops about, but is not non-existent. That is somewhat satisfactory for me, thank you. The timeflow in warp is not linear or even steady, but there is no reason to believe there is no causality. To illustrate your loopy theory: M20 in warp: 3 gods, M20 in realspace: Eldar happy M30 in realspace: Eldar sad --> M30 in warp: 4 gods M21/M10/M42/... in warp: 4 gods At any point in (realspace) time there can be a link between a total different time in warp. OK, I'm fine now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3927364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I believe you, but do you have that source though? I'm trying to compile a sourced timeline for community projects. Unfortunately it's only conjuncture on my part. There are no written sources that state precisely when it occurred. There is a difference between the Fall of the Eldar, and Slaanesh's birth. The former occurred thousands of years before 30k, and triggered the Long Night. The latter concluded the Long Night, clearing up the storms that prevented FTL travel. It was the latter than galvanized the Emperor. He is referring to the realspace event whereby the Eldar race was virtually destroyed bu Slaanesh's birth cries. Whilst it's true the Eldar as a race fell (into depravity etc.) long before the birth of Slaanesh, the actual in-universe event of Slaanesh's birth is synonymous with the Fall of the Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3927413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Going from the Lexicanum timeline: M25 - Age of Strife begins, numerous causes and factors 750-800 M30 - Birth of Slaanesh dispels warp storms and allows the Emperor to begin the Great Crusade 798 M30 is the official start date of the Great Crusade I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302120-the-end-of-the-age-of-strife/#findComment-3927468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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