Lord Blackwood Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 So I painted up a new murderfang for solstice advance to replace my ( THIS IS THE FIRST DREADNOUGHT IVE EVER BUILT AND PAINTED) version that I gave away. I have fielded him once against an admittedly distracted opponent but I dont really see how I can get him to get his job done not in the current melta heavy plasma heavy meta and him having to wait to get it in unless i take a 50 point drop pod to let him charge. Has anyone really had luck with the Murderino and getting him into Close Combat or like the other 9 dreads is he just gonna have to sit on the shelf unfielded most of the time ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I love Murderfang because he is so cheap and nearly impossible to tarpit. I like to use him to counter Deep Striking opponents who must wait a turn to assault. He also works in a pod heavy list, place him carefully and he can get cover and solid area denial. He is easily destroyed by a properly equipped group but there are plenty of great match ups for him in certain armies. I think Murderfang's best match up are power armour marines. They don't often have enough fire power to take him down or the numbers to tie him down. He finds heavy weapon teams delicious as well as snipers hiding in cover. Its not too hard to get his points back taking out some devastators or DS Elites. He's happy to open up most transports and deal with whatever is inside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3924124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I've used him in a CoF list several times along with an Adamantine Lance to very good effect. He gets overlooked with a twc blob and 3 knights running right up the middle. He gets overlooked hard in that situation, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3924130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 I've used him in a CoF list several times along with an Adamantine Lance to very good effect. He gets overlooked with a twc blob and 3 knights running right up the middle. He gets overlooked hard in that situation, lol i can run this might have to try Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3924139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Lucius drop pod is your friend! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3924154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loganwolf Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Murderfang is a great distraction unit. He has to be dealt with. He strugles vs a mobile lust however Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3924502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfgar Ironmane Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I have yet to use (or even get) Murderfang. but i would just drop him in somewhere nice. Run into cover and make sure my enemy has something else that he needs to shoot at. Either by more pods or just have a deathstar on his doorstep.Distractions are your friend. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I ran him in a recent game and he could have been AWESOME. Note how I say 'could have been'. In a mostly drop pod assault stylee army, he arrived, then promptly marched off to beat some face....but unfortunately he did nothing all game. And I mean NOTHING. He missed every shot he took, and he didn't wound once in CC. On the plus side, he didn't even loose a single HP but that's not the point. He could have really made a mess of things, but the dice gods were against him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I ran him in a recent game and he could have been AWESOME. Note how I say 'could have been'. In a mostly drop pod assault stylee army, he arrived, then promptly marched off to beat some face....but unfortunately he did nothing all game. And I mean NOTHING. He missed every shot he took, and he didn't wound once in CC. On the plus side, he didn't even loose a single HP but that's not the point. He could have really made a mess of things, but the dice gods were against him. What the heck were you fighting? S8 with shred is likely to wound any model in the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 the smasher of cats has a point i can understand him being killed before getting to fight but getting to fight and doing no damage ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This is a game of both skill and luck. I had a game where both my opponent and I started keeping track of how many 1s I was rolling halfway through T1 because it was so ridiculous. We kept track till the end of the game. At the end we added up everything and it came out to 37% 1s from the time we started keeping track till the game ended T6. It felt like a lot more than 37% and I have to say there were times when I needed 1s and didn't get them - it was upper frustrating at first but I kept playing just to see if it would continue. I tried two sets of my own dice and he even let me use his dice - nothing helped. If the dice refuse to cooperate, no unit is going to perform well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Try giving him a 4++ with Divination. He might actually survive a turn. After that, he is good against slower armies but you can forget about him against Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 it was all bad rolls gents. ... hence why I said should have been awesome haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdudey Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I have used him a couple of times. He is good against aggresive opponents who will charge towards you, as you can stand and wait for them. Also, I agree that a Lucius pattern pod would be good, but of course pricey. I took him against nids thinking he would do well, but a freaking Flyrant used that Haywire template weapon on him and destroyed him turn 2. I wouldnt dare take him against shooty armies, although I do agree he would be awesome against blobs of marines, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3925581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Otho Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I like him as a drop pod distraction unit. Drop him in the first wave and force your opponent to deal with him whilst your other units bring the pain and twc move up. Havent tried a lucius yet but could work. How does a flyrant haywire template kill him in one turn? It can do a max of 1 hp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3926009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdudey Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Haywire pens on a 6? Then immobilizes on a 6...so although he wasn't dead, he was deep in my own deployment zone and couldn't go anywhere. Sorry I should have clarified. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3926465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Otho Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Yep pen on 6 immobilise on 6. I hate it when he gets immobilized worse than being killed outright. I can imagine the marine inside having a proper temper tantrum at being immobilised. Like a 3 yearr old in a supermarket. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3926790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Lucius drop pod is your friend! Although not nearly as good as it originally was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3927208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeteuMachque Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This is a game of both skill and luck. I had a game where both my opponent and I started keeping track of how many 1s I was rolling halfway through T1 because it was so ridiculous. We kept track till the end of the game. At the end we added up everything and it came out to 37% 1s from the time we started keeping track till the game ended T6. It felt like a lot more than 37% and I have to say there were times when I needed 1s and didn't get them - it was upper frustrating at first but I kept playing just to see if it would continue. I tried two sets of my own dice and he even let me use his dice - nothing helped. If the dice refuse to cooperate, no unit is going to perform well. Oh gods, this sounds like the last two games I've played......against Necrons the other day, I failed 18 out of 27 3+ armor saves on the first turn. First few games I've run with Murderfang have been mixed. I've more than earned his points back in some games (by a long shot usually), and in others he gets blasted off the board before he has a chance to do ANYTHING. Drop pods have helped, the extra 15 points for the Lucius pattern variant is definitely worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3928030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I must have stolen your luck then lol, because my lady game against Necrons I made 29 out of 30 3+ saves. Another prime example of the luck aspect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3928427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I usually manage to fit him into a list my ensuring I have 170 points for him and a drop pod. I put him down deep in enemy territory along side Void Claws and another dread. He gets shot most of the time. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3928990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I do seem to have a harder time keeping him alive, but I really like him when he's not shot to pieces T1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3929371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWolfLord Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My current favourite list is heavy fast assault units so TWC, Fenrisian Wolves with Canis, Land Raiders full of Bloodclaws and even Logan on Stormrider. I drop Murderfang in a Lucius turn 1 and the opponent largely ignores him as there are apparently scarier options. He struggles against a mech army as no shred for failed pens so not as effective but still a lot of S8 attacks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3937208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I love the look of murderfang, the idea, he sounds terrifying and I really want to include him... But for 10 points less (fang and pod) I can get 4 TWC. That's 24 rending attacks on the charge, plus hammer of wrath and they are quicker. I am already running one unit of 5 so this gives plenty of distraction, you would find it hard to cut down both units before they get to do some damage It seems like a no brainier to me? Although I really do want fang in :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3937657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I look at Fang as a bonus-giver. He creates options for you and headaches for your opponent. T1 pod him in. They have a choice - either ignore or hit. If they ignore him, worse case is he is going to tie up a unit when he attacks T2. If they hit him, then great...he will soak up a lot of punishment that isn't being aimed at the rest of your army. This gives you the time advantage to get in to position. Of course this is largely irrelevant if you are podding in everything, but you get the point. In 1500pt + games, I feel that 170 points like that is points well spent. If you approach him with the attitude of him being nothing more than a distraction, he will be a good unit. Sure, 4TWC seem appealing by compasion, but I just think that having an extra turn or two to get into position without attracting attention is worth it. If you do attract attention, there is one (or hopefully more) units that simply aren't there to target you as fang has polished them off already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302189-ways-to-work-murderfang-into-lists/#findComment-3937730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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