who watches the watchmen?

[MaveriK]

We know that during the Horus Heresy, watch packs were sent to every legion under orders of Malcador. But who watches the watchmen?

 

Just something I was thinking about earlier today after listening to Prospero Burns for like the thousandth time....

 

Okay so we know that the wolves were so blinded into believing that Casper was sent as a spy by Magnus, but what if it was in fact Malcadors own doing? of course this isn't known by Casper himself but it could be possible!

 

It just shows how blunt and at times naive and narrow minded the executioners have been during the time of the Alfather and of the Wolf King. It would have been a brilliant move by Malcador himself to play on the wolves own superstitions and arrogance.

 

Your thoughts or other ideas?

[Lord Blackwood]

considering the fates of a lot of watch packs I  wouldn't put it past malcador to be doing some subversive stuff  tho I  do think the direction contact between the tousand sons and  mr casper has me leaning a little more toward magnus  being the spymaster not a bad theory tho  

[Wulf Vengis]

Malcador in the psychic guise of magnus perhaps? But i would think that any psyker worth his psychic hood would be able to the difference between magnus and malcador.

[MaveriK]

Malcador in the psychic guise of magnus perhaps? But i would think that any psyker worth his psychic hood would be able to the difference between magnus and malcador.

Well we know that Casper has had his mind tampered with... What better way to fool your mark and sell the con by placing blame on someone else?Malcador is clever enough to pull it off. Like I said play on the fears and superstition of the wolves to work in his favor. It's like a sneaky way of having internal affairs watch over the wolves without causing insult or injury against a loyalist legion.

 

I just figured it would have been brilliant play by Malcador if this was a possibility in terms of the Horus Heresy.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i was under the impression that Prospero Burns pretty much spells out the Hawser was a pawn of the Chaos Pantheon. 

 

Malcador has enough on his hands dealing with the traitor legions, the questionable legions, and running Terra while prepping for what comes after without messing with a Legion with unquestionable loyalty and a Primarch who'd respond with furious anger to any outside tampering of his Legion.

 

WLK

[callmeMrBadger]

****** SPOLIERif you've not read Prospero burns ******

 

I thought at the end of Prospero Burns it has Horus spying through Hawser. He didn't know which side the Thousand sons were on and knew which way they 6th legion would go, so instead of escort Magnus to Terra, the orders got re-worked into sanction the Legion, and deal with Magnus, dead or alive. Neutralizing two threats in one go without getting Horus's hands dirty or expending resources.

 

It's about the only decent tactical example we have of Horus so far which could explain why he was given Warmaster role.

[Karack Blackstone]

We know that during the Horus Heresy, watch packs were sent to every legion under orders of Malcador. But who watches the watchmen?

 

Just something I was thinking about earlier today after listening to Prospero Burns for like the thousandth time....

 

Okay so we know that the wolves were so blinded into believing that Casper was sent as a spy by Magnus, but what if it was in fact Malcadors own doing? of course this isn't known by Casper himself but it could be possible!

 

It just shows how blunt and at times naive and narrow minded the executioners have been during the time of the Alfather and of the Wolf King. It would have been a brilliant move by Malcador himself to play on the wolves own superstitions and arrogance.

 

Your thoughts or other ideas?

 

To me, the Wolves have the following flaws:

 

- Wanting to find something they fear, to hear of it and emerge stronger.  Hearing alone has condemned whole star systems due to just the whispers of Chaos on the wind.

- Arrogance that can at times be mistaken for pride.  Yes, the Wolves can feel pride; they are one of the few Chapters to recall being human.  That is no excuse for conduct unbecoming of a wolf.

- As an example, the Nikea fluff:  as I have said in another thread, the Warding Eye, <I> is a likely grounding point for the Warp, and as such, might be a welcome idea as to how the winds of the warp travel across reality and between dimensions.  The problem is, and to prevent a flame war, keep in mind this much:  Chaos lives in the Warp, while it does not itself have traits that always cause issues to those using said warp.  It's a pretty long winded set of issues; just to lay some ice for this flame war, consider this then if one is inclined to enrage another's temper:  this made up setting has many things that are possible, one of which is that the winds of Chaos and the Warp are not exactly the same thing.  Different word, different thing; or, they might be, however, where do they come from?  To know that is likely damning in setting; so, leave any thoughts about this long-winded post, not just emotional feedback please.

- The Wolves also need people that can watch themselves, within themselves.  Wolf Priests do this, and I would wonder if WG could be chosen to watch as well, in a way.  Such as, why not have the WG providing an example as well as watching for issues of loyalty in setting?

 

I likely could come up with more, however, these will do.

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

WLKFTW

 

I also was convinced that Hawser was the character behind the deciet, although maybe not intentional.

 

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[Disciple of Caliban Sgt]

Gotta agree my firm impression was it was Horus running Casper via mental PS4...........or Xbox One if that's your fancy.

[Max_Dammit]

If Malcadore was the one making the plan he wrote his own death sentence, It was Magnus who had to hold the place of the Emperor in the throne when he was planning to fight Horus, but it was Malcadore who had to do it and he was not really up to the task, he turned to dust in the end.

 

So I doubt he would have made this play