Frater Cornelius Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 What is it you think that makes Space Wolves into what they are? Is it something superficial like looks? Is it Fenris? Is it the Wulfen? Or is it something else, less tangible? Maybe their way of thinking or their spirit? What is it for you? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 My opinion? It's all about the geneseed; it's the legacy of Russ. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FENRISÚLFUR Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Two parts feral, five parts stubborn, a dash of glory, and a spoon full of awesome. Shaken, not stirred. Don't forget to heavily chill ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarchas Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thier stubbornness and loyalty to the Imperium as an ideal. Unlike other Marine chapters they don't blindly follow thier superiors. The average citizens mean something to the wolves and If they think the inquisition, the echlesiarchy or an other chapter is doing something wrong (like trying to exterminatus a planet of loyal citizens who have just won a war against chaos) they are not afraid to tell them about it...... and then start hitting people over the head about it! Until someone wakes up Bjorn and he tells everyone to behave. Thats what I love about the wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thier stubbornness and loyalty to the Imperium as an ideal. Unlike other Marine chapters they don't blindly follow thier superiors. The average citizens mean something to the wolves and If they think the inquisition, the echlesiarchy or an other chapter is doing something wrong (like trying to exterminatus a planet of loyal citizens who have just won a war against chaos) they are not afraid to tell them about it...... and then start hitting people over the head about it! Until someone wakes up Bjorn and he tells everyone to behave. Thats what I love about the wolves This is a big part of what I think makes a Space Wolf. We aren't afraid to stand up to other chapters, the inquisition, anybody, to protect the people who actually need protecting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 @ Nighthowler - Those last two lines of yours. We aren't afraid to stand up for those who need potecting. That is the single most inspirational trait for me. They are the mos humane chapter and despite being part animal, they are more human than most out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 @ Nighthowler - Those last two lines of yours. We aren't afraid to stand up for those who need potecting. That is the single most inspirational trait for me. They are the mos humane chapter and despite being part animal, they are more human than most out there. Well said brother, I think that the fact that the wolves are seen by the majority of the Imperium as savage and barbaric but are actually incredibly loyal and not as closed minded or slavish when following rules (cough...codex astartes cough...) but much more independent in their thinking about the way things 'should' be done is a large part of what attracted me to them as a chapter. To be superhuman but still keep your humanity, Fenrys Hjolda ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Immersturm, Sarchas and Konnavaer have it. The wolves aren't dedicated to single house, lord, or even system. They're dedicated to the protection of humanity as a people and as an ideal. They believe strongly in right and wrong, good and evil. They watched their brothers and cousins fall to chaos through their own pride, vanity and flaws. They watched humanity burn because of the sins of it's protectors. With the fall of the Emperor and the disappearance of Russ the wolves were left with no true goal, no mission so to speak. They carved out their own mission however. They watched the corruption of the Imperium as politics and zealotry ran rampant. They chose to defend mankind as a race from the evils without and to protect the ideal that mankind is good from the evils within. They fight not just for the survival of a race but for the soul of that race and they aren't afraid to step up to anyone who endanger either of those things. The wolves are dedicated to ensuring mankinds survival as a whole no mater the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Honestly, its the story behind them. They are both savages compared to much of the imperial forces; however, they are noble and honorable warriors. I love viking sagas and viking culture. saying that i run my wolves slightly darker- and more viking-lore. I dislike some of the new changes in the new codex- the stormfang, murderfang, and others that are unoriginal just seem like they are losing the culture to the wolves. I call my flyer Glitnir and run my bikers as Valkeries (i know there is already a flyer with that name, but vikings…). Just would have liked to have seen a little more originality like that in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 I am trying to do my own think as well. I change the optics and surroundings to something that appeals to me (the Iron Wolves) but I keep the essentials of an SW, that I value most, meaning the Curse (very interesting flaw if you care to expand on the subject of striking and balance between man and beast), valor, honour, sagas, pelts, loyalty to the people of the Imperium and Mankind, and less so to the ones that run it ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3925934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women! On a more serious note, for me it's the fluff and character. The whole, see someone doing something bad and put an axe in their skull, attitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3926043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women! A fellow Conan fan! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3926118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women! A fellow Conan fan! Hah yea, awesome movie. One of my first model conversions was pointed out by my brother to have been modeled in a pose oddly reminiscent of a certain barbarian. That model got stripped and rebuilt but I may just have to make a replacement as a Rune Priest for my wolves... hmm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3926229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So I will toss something out there that might rankle a few or just make you proud to be part of the VIth. When people talk about how the Wolves are the most humane chapter when it comes to protecting people and that makes them the most human. If you REALLY think about it, they are only doing what is their nature, protecting. Is it because they are soooooo human? Not really at all. If you look at the VIth Legion as more as sheep dogs then you get the idea that I am talking about. The Wolves go to such lengths to protect the "sheeple" because that is the very nature of their being, protectors unto death do they part for the Halls of Russ. From both the Heresy stuff, the more modern stuff, and even the older stuff, the Wolves protect because that is their job. They do not have some humanistic link to protect humans, but an instinctual one to protect as I mentioned above, like sheep dogs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So I will toss something out there that might rankle a few or just make you proud to be part of the VIth. When people talk about how the Wolves are the most humane chapter when it comes to protecting people and that makes them the most human. If you REALLY think about it, they are only doing what is their nature, protecting. Is it because they are soooooo human? Not really at all. If you look at the VIth Legion as more as sheep dogs then you get the idea that I am talking about. The Wolves go to such lengths to protect the "sheeple" because that is the very nature of their being, protectors unto death do they part for the Halls of Russ. From both the Heresy stuff, the more modern stuff, and even the older stuff, the Wolves protect because that is their job. They do not have some humanistic link to protect humans, but an instinctual one to protect as I mentioned above, like sheep dogs. That doesn't really justify the actions of the chapter, particularly those of Logan Grimnar. Sure if it was an instinct to protect then a wolf would interpose himself between an enemy and civilians, or try to rescue refugees trapped in a transport and so on and so forth. It doesn't really explain why Logan Grimnar went to such lengths to protect the survivors of the 1st War for Armageddon and in doing so risk incurring the wrath of the Inquisition and doom the entire chapter. Ultimately I'd say it's probably a bit of both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Because sheep dogs will throw themselves at predators to protect the flock. Look to when Longfang protects Kasper on the planet of the Quietude. The explanation of the oath to protect the skaljd drives the rune priest on a suicide run to protect him. And Logan is really not so much different in his willingness to throw the chapter into war with the Inquisition to protect the IG of Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Because sheep dogs will throw themselves at predators to protect the flock. Look to when Longfang protects Kasper on the planet of the Quietude. The explanation of the oath to protect the skaljd drives the rune priest on a suicide run to protect him. And Logan is really not so much different in his willingness to throw the chapter into war with the Inquisition to protect the IG of Armageddon. My point is just that an instinct is a pretty short-term reaction, to make the conscious decision to politically and militarily oppose the Inquisition over a period of months takes a bit more than that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 You also have to consider that the heresy era wolves are not the same as the 40k wolves. In the heresy they were the executioners, sent to do the dirty work and totally obedient. In M41 they are an anti authoritarian chapter, more loyal to mankind and the imperium than to the people running the show. But that probably has something to do with the fact that in M41 the Imperium is run by a bunch of morons whereas the heresy era had some half-way competent people at the top. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Looking at the wolves I was drawn to them because they were heavily influenced by the vikings. I've always had a fascination for norse mythology and history. It's the compassion and honor and the warrior ideal that drew me to them. The fact that historically (and the space wolves get it by extension) the Vikings embraced an Ideal that free men were equals. Sure there were slaves in norse society, but even a slave could become a free man, and earn his equality. My favorite chapters (SW and Ultramarines) have an egalitarian view of humanity and the Imperium. The SW don't like the way the imperium is run, or like some of the institutions, but they hold onto the ideals upon which it was founded, and thus they guard mankind against all that threaten it. The view that space wolves are the sheepdog for humanity is half true. They are not the Sheepdog, that's the imperial guard. The SW are the wolfhounds, they hunt the predators. If you're going to make the dog analogy, that's the most accurate depiction. The Astartes hunt the things that go bump in the night. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The Vlka Fenryka are the Chapter I play because above all else, they hope for the future of Humanity as a whole, strive for it, and do their best to be an example others can follow, and perhaps, as the attitude of the Chapter is explained in books so well, the best leaders create yet more leaders, not more followers. Lead by a great and goodly example, and others will find their own great and goodly example to make in their life, and of their life. To be of the VI Legio is to be sworn to protect Humanity, and to always strive to be at one's best, doing one's best, for when the individual falls, the example provided before one's ending is to be so awe inspiring, so capable, so Human that the ones being told of this story one has laid a foundation for, will be asked by the deeds of those dead to strive all the harder. Part wolf, part human, fully a protector of the people, and a leader that is so capable as to inspire more leaders should the Vlka die or go down in combat. This is the Vlka to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The ideology is great for the Wolves of Fenris, but for me the biggest draw is the fluff. The stories, the sagas, and the amazing tales of heroism. I also liken them to space vikings, and they certainly live up to that image. The pack mentality is strong while the chapter runs parallel to the Imperium and the teachings of the Astartes. I love this contradiction. Wolves are loyal to themselves first, and everyone else comes second. I am also in love with the imagery and he model line of the Sons of Russ. The models are what piqued my interest before I knew anything about the game. So that also carries over into the reason I play wolves. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302235-what-makes-a-wolf-a-wolf/#findComment-3928980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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