librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I adore the concept of Kasrkin and Stormtroopers in 40k but I don't have the money to really invest in it, sadly. Mostly because I have other priorities. Despite that, I really want to add a couple of squads to my 1500 Highlander list to certify it for 1850. They'll give me a presence that plays on the enemy's side of the table a bit more I think. In order to save money though, I'm considering taking some Cadians and simply adding in the arm bits from the current pieces. This will give them a slight up armored look while maintaining the Cadian aesthetic. Plus, nobody will be able to claim that they aren't hot shot lasguns. Has anybody tried this? Would the bits fit together ok? I ask this particularly to those who've worked with both Cadians and Tempestus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammael Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I am in the process of doing the same thing. The legs from the scion kit need some adapting to fit with the Cadian torsos. Arms fit ok and scion heads need a bit of fettling. I have used scion arms and backpacks with there weapons, Cadian torso and legs then used the forge world heads with the rebreathers attached. They are starting to look cool and a lot cheaper option. I picked up the scion bits on eBay. Will post some images when I have completed mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I'd look at Vash's thread to see how Cadian and Scion bitz go together, (very well, IMO.) The Flak Armour torso for Cadians goes nicely with the arms and heads for Scions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Ah, Vash's stuff. I'd forgotten that thread. Those were good models. Thanks for the replies guys, that was fast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 you could always try to greenstuff them. it's what i've been doing this afternoon while i should have been studying... there are quite some tutorials about how to do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The arms and accessories work well. The only things that need fettling i found were the heads. Will dig a pic out later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Remember that FW sells a Cadians with respirators upgrade pack, and it's the same as the Kasrkin heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Yes, the FW Cadian respirator heads would be perfect - they're cool for any models though! As mentioned Vash is the man you want to see :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Here is the promised picture, On the left is a simple head swap, I had to trim the neck to make it fit. The middle is a standard Cadian but with Hot Shot Las, modified Vox backpack as power cell and trimmed head. On the right is a standard Cadian Officer with the cloak attached. Fits quite well too. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e301/chrisburnett2010/geekery/20150120_184543.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 More examples of Scion/Cadian mash ups here. They needed a little filling and filing to fit well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Handro Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 All the suggestions so far I cool, but for the record I feel the Scion close combat arm options are too big/long for Cadian torsos, so I combined 2 boxes of Scions with 2 boxes of marine scouts and hey presto - a Scion Command squad and three 5-man Scion squads!It took a little planning with the rationing out of parts and those Scion powerpacks, using Scion torsos and packs for the hotshot lasgun-toting guys and Scout torsos and legs for all the one-handed/close combat/sergeant poses, plus I had to use a Scout shotgun and some cabling as a third Volley gun, but it can be done, quite easily.And I was never going to use those Scouts as Scouts, so turned out all right in the end! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Cool suggestion....scouts, hmmmm. I suddenly wonder about the viability of just using space marine sniper scouts. Put on some cadian heads and bring the rifle barrel right up to the gun's main housing. http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx141/librisrouge/Imma_zpsec9a974f.png Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Cool suggestion....scouts, hmmmm. I suddenly wonder about the viability of just using space marine sniper scouts. Put on some cadian heads and bring the rifle barrel right up to the gun's main housing. http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx141/librisrouge/Imma_zpsec9a974f.png Thoughts? As a Massive fan of scouts, (I used to use a HB armed scout as a counts as Harker), they are noticeably bigger and taller than your average guardsman. You have got me thinking about it now though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3926990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 I figure that you can always rationalize it with genetherapy or some kind of augmentics that allow them to move silently and operate for long periods of time in the field. I'm really considering it too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think the Scouts are very Mariney, so I'd prefer them to be modded somehow. Maybe this could be enough with some Guard bits added? It's mainly the bulk as scats said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The only big difference in the gear of a Kasrkin and a normal Cadian, hellgun and full helmet aside, is a few armor plates on the legs, forearms, and the hip/groin area, and the only figure you could really even make out the waist armor on was the Sgt. All of the armor plates are really simple shapes and wouldn't be too difficult to add to regular Cadians with some GS. Use Scions arms with hellguns and you've already got that covered. Don't want to spring for the FW respirator masks? Scions heads it is, and it would be a lot closer to the look of the Kasrkin models than a Marine scout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 But, but, but, then I would have wasted the five minutes it took to make that graphic! All kidding aside, I'll probably go with what you said Kage. Hell, I might now even worry about the green stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I would at least do the knee guards. To me, that stands out the most of the armor that differentiates the Kasrkin from the Cadian, and I've done that very thing on... a figure I can't show you all of right now. http://i.imgur.com/nFYth7h.png I filed the knee down a bit, pressed a little blob of GS on there and flattened the 4 sides into that shape. Make the outside edges even, and voila. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Yeah, I started something like that once and it works out really well. I ended up prying them all off though because IG lost the option of doing Carapace Armor Doctrine, which was sad (I was almost twenty models in too.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Here'sa sample of my greenstuffed oneshttp://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/20150121_001823_zpsccpausmq.jpg If you've already once tried it i would highly recommend doing it again. Your skills will have improved and it's the cheapest way to get them to resemble kasrkin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Well it has been mentioned already. I have combined the two :) To get the Kasrkin look you will need the Cadian torso for sure. The rest is from the Tempestus kit. Now the "problem" is the Cadian torso won't fit with the head and legs. But with a simple cut to the legs its not problem. The head, requires some more work. Not much. The neck needs to be trimmed a bit. Of course, to get the optimal helmet, Forge World Cadian hazard helmets (or what ever they are called, someone mentioned them already) are really great. But then we a re going into spending a lot of money into these guys. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Keep in mind though the FW Hostile Environment conversion kit does NOT have the helmets with respirators. Rather, it has the torsos with backpacks. The Respirator conversion kit is the one that has the heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I agree with BCK, it's the knee armour that makes the big difference for how carapace "appears". Adding some form of gauntlet is a nice secondary though, depends on how much you'd like to play with sculpting :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ok, been thinking about this a little more for some easier conversion tips for those folks that might not have advanced hobby or sculpting skills. http://i.imgur.com/QKa4jdB.png 1) Forearm armor. If you're going with the Scion arms so these converted Kasrkin have an actual hellgun model, then that's all you need to do. If you're keeping the Cadian arms, use a hobby blade to scrape down some of the sleeve on the forearm, then use a file or sand paper to smooth it out. Scrape down the detail on the back of the hand. Paint the new cut-down sleeve, the cuff, and the back of the hand as your armor plate color and paint the rest of the hand as if it was a glove. If you're ok with some basic sculpting, you can shave the sleeve down a bit and build up the armor plate that way, and add a small square on the back of the hand for the armor plate there. 2) Thigh armor. Cut off the pocket flap detail and file or sand smooth. Paint as armor. 3) Shin armor. Simple! Paint the gaiters as armor! 4) Knee armor. As mentioned previously, I cut down the cloth around the knee and then used a small bit of green stuff to make a simple 4-sided shape for the knee armor. I also trimmed down the cloth all the way around the knee and added a green stuff strap, but that's a little more advanced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3927775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I just happened across this on Dakka: http://i.imgur.com/zshDFco.jpg Cadian torso, FW Cadian heads with respirator, Scion arms, Catachan Veteran back pack, and Colonial Defense Force legs from Mad Robot Miniatures(the CDF is basically the Colonial Marines from the Aliens movie). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302331-kit-bashing-kasrkin/#findComment-3930945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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