Lord Blackwood Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just Finished it , very short , only a few pages Still there is some gold in there about- legion structure ( The term chapter master is used for a man who is also Jarl of the 12th , its worded directly like that as well) ,-the edict of Nikea involving Runepriests and Librarians Im not talking about this because that space wolves are hypocrites thing was a stupid thread that made this board suck for weeks -Space Wolf Warriors Court-A touch on Russ' interaction with his sons -There is a fleeting moment where it is implied that the sixth did at the time the watchpacks were being sent off still include some Terran members but its the sort of thing you have to read into( This might be a strange sort of topic to even consider depending on where you stand on geneseed compatibility but certainly worth talking about)A good little read , it is fully a wolf thing they dont get to Terra within the short story , but I would imagine this line will be continued since they go into such detail of the pack members. I dunno if I could recommend it for the cost unless you really are enticed by lore , if so pick it up however is easiest to youWorth a read for sure if you are writing lore for your great company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 its an teaser story for the upcoming Master of Mankind, by the same author. I'm very interested in that book. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 -There is a fleeting moment where it is implied that the sixth did at the time the watchpacks were being sent off still include some Terran members but its the sort of thing you have to read into ( This might be a strange sort of topic to even consider depending on where you stand on geneseed compatibility but certainly worth talking about) That's never really been in doubt, if you pay close enough attention to Prospero Burns (I know I didn't the first time ). When it introduces Longfang it describes him as 'as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be, the eldest of the few remaining Terran members of the VI Legion' (paraphrasing somewhat). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 -There is a fleeting moment where it is implied that the sixth did at the time the watchpacks were being sent off still include some Terran members but its the sort of thing you have to read into ( This might be a strange sort of topic to even consider depending on where you stand on geneseed compatibility but certainly worth talking about) That's never really been in doubt, if you pay close enough attention to Prospero Burns (I know I didn't the first time ). When it introduces Longfang it describes him as 'as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be, the eldest of the few remaining Terran members of the VI Legion' (paraphrasing somewhat). page number or kindle location please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggtand Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Yes, it was a very good read. Always nice to see different perspective of the Rout from different authors. But I have always thought it a little strange that DB in Prospero Burns describes Longfang “as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be” when the other legions is full of Terrans from the start of the Great Crusade who don’t seem to be that aged. The crusader host do seem to be in good vigor when they are described. I guess it’s about different authors take and maybe canon has changed since Prospero Burns My opinion is that it shouldn’t be uncommon with Terran veterans in any legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I thought Longfang was supposed to be the "last" Terran Legionary in the Space Wolves, and he dies before Prospero. As for Howl of the Hearthworld, it's ok, not really worth the price IMO. As for Chapter Master, it should be noted that it's a loose term the wolves only reluctantly use for the official record. The exact nature and command level of Captains, Chapter Masters and Commanders in the various legions differed significantly. In the Dark Angels a Chapter Master led the standard 1000 warriors with Captains beneath him. In the Ultramarines each Captain led roughly a thousand warriors, the Jarl of Tolv led six hundred. The bit with the Rune Priest was interesting. Clearly he's still outfitted and bears the title of his psyker specialty but claims to no longer use his powers, and it is implied that such a claim is a lie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 -There is a fleeting moment where it is implied that the sixth did at the time the watchpacks were being sent off still include some Terran members but its the sort of thing you have to read into ( This might be a strange sort of topic to even consider depending on where you stand on geneseed compatibility but certainly worth talking about) That's never really been in doubt, if you pay close enough attention to Prospero Burns (I know I didn't the first time ). When it introduces Longfang it describes him as 'as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be, the eldest of the few remaining Terran members of the VI Legion' (paraphrasing somewhat). page number or kindle location please Not gonna be able to do that personally I'm afraid. If I had my copy to hand I'd have included a proper quote instead of paraphrasing. All I can say is it's early-ish in the book, when Longfang is introduced. Yes, it was a very good read. Always nice to see different perspective of the Rout from different authors. But I have always thought it a little strange that DB in Prospero Burns describes Longfang “as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be” when the other legions is full of Terrans from the start of the Great Crusade who don’t seem to be that aged. The crusader host do seem to be in good vigor when they are described. I guess it’s about different authors take and maybe canon has changed since Prospero Burns My opinion is that it shouldn’t be uncommon with Terran veterans in any legion. Couple of observations/explanations here. I don't find it particularly strange that the Wolves' ageing is described in such terms, with the more obvious greying of their hair (possibly due to actually having hair), weathering of the skin (plus the fangs), Wolves have always seemed to exhibit more of the cosmetic features of advanced age than other Marines. "As old as it was possible" as a term also kinda fits the whole poetic, skald-esque atmosphere of PB, other books would probably just described such a Marine as 'longest serving member of the Legion'. Also, remember how the opening trilogy presented Iacton Qruze as almost senile, a relic of a bygone age, even in this era of legend. So there's definitely precedent for 'old' 30k Marines. I have know idea who the Crusader Host are, so can't really comment there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 -There is a fleeting moment where it is implied that the sixth did at the time the watchpacks were being sent off still include some Terran members but its the sort of thing you have to read into ( This might be a strange sort of topic to even consider depending on where you stand on geneseed compatibility but certainly worth talking about) That's never really been in doubt, if you pay close enough attention to Prospero Burns (I know I didn't the first time ). When it introduces Longfang it describes him as 'as old as it was possible for a member of the Rout to be, the eldest of the few remaining Terran members of the VI Legion' (paraphrasing somewhat). page number or kindle location please "Some said there would be other longfangs one day, if any of the Rout lived long enough. Wyrd alone had kept Heoroth Longfang’s thread uncut. He was as old as it was possible for a Wolf to be, the oldest of the last few Sixth Legion Astartes who had been created on Terra and shipped to Fenris as the foundation of the Wolf King’s retinue." Dan Abnett (2010-12-31T22:00:00+00:00). Prospero Burns (Kindle Locations 2839-2841). The Black Library. Kindle Edition. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 thank you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3927954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I thought Longfang was supposed to be the "last" Terran Legionary in the Space Wolves, and he dies before Prospero. As for Howl of the Hearthworld, it's ok, not really worth the price IMO. As for Chapter Master, it should be noted that it's a loose term the wolves only reluctantly use for the official record. The exact nature and command level of Captains, Chapter Masters and Commanders in the various legions differed significantly. In the Dark Angels a Chapter Master led the standard 1000 warriors with Captains beneath him. In the Ultramarines each Captain led roughly a thousand warriors, the Jarl of Tolv led six hundred. The bit with the Rune Priest was interesting. Clearly he's still outfitted and bears the title of his psyker specialty but claims to no longer use his powers, and it is implied that such a claim is a lie. Well, if we look at the short story, "Wolf at the Door" there are more then a few Terran Legionaries in the 13th Co and the ending of that story has them getting called up to head to Prospero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3928189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarladgr Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I kind of read the Jarl of Tolv part differently. I didn't think he was "The Lord of the 12th" but rather a warchief of the 12th, who whilst a holds the rank of Jarl pays fealty to "The Lord of the 12th" who also holds the rank Jarl ( just a more senior Jarl). When added to other stories that we have about the VIth it kind of makes sense and explains the whole Bulyeve and Jorin Bloodfang thing. Jarl Bulveye is a warchief of the 13th whilst Jarl Jorin is the lord of the 13th. So my understanding of the organisation of the VIth is 13 great companies each lead by a senior jarl. Each great company is made up of several warbands each led by a Warchief who also holds the rank Jarl. Warbands I imagine would range from company strength to chapter strength depending. Each warband is made up of several packs. As for Thegns, I see them as senior vangari ( wolf guard) who either are pack leader of a wolf guard pack or a " wolf guard battle leader" in charge of a few packs within the Warband, or possibly both. Does that make sense or have I totally misread and misunderstood what ADB has written? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3928372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This is what i can find from the book that is useful for figuring it out As warchief of Cry of the Grieving Dragon, jarl of Tolv and master of many packs, he had the right to speak for any of them at a warriors' court. Cry of the Grieving Dragon was a significant force within Tolv Company. He was warlord of Cry of the Grieving Dragon, respected jarl of Tolv My name is Jaurmag,' he said. 'Chapter Master of the Grieving Dragon and commander of the Twelfth Great Company.' So from this: Jarl= commander Warchief=Chapter master Thegns= Sergents (no quote but in the book) of course Jarl can be a generic term for any high leadership rank Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302349-howl-of-the-hearthworld/#findComment-3929077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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