Need volunteer(s) for LA brother-chapter

[Darman Vallerius]

Hi guys, 

 

When writing my lore for my own chapter, I have thought multiple times of creating a chapter, that is not of one particular chapter but multiple, such as when a chapter suffers horrendous losses to the point only a dozen live or about a 100 battle-brothers live, that when the imperium needs these soldiers instead of eradicating them they are directed to join this chapter.

 

Each new Chapter that joins only has it's insignia shown on the left shoulder pad, which has flames over it, the right shoulder pad has a broken eagle as the new chapter insignia. There is only one flag that now is raised one that has the name of every broken chapter that joins it's ranks. Initiates are no longer as expendable and are used as specialist squads and are given access to more weaponry and options.

 

All new chapters will answer regardless of original rank, to the High Master who runs the chapter, when joining the chapter, no matter what rank, it will be stripped and will be assorted into different roles depend on set skills not on past actions or rank. Every marine will be issued a bolter and bolt pistol, other weaponry will be issued when needed. When going to war an elected leader will act as captain and will lead the selected squads for the assault.

 

There is no particular battle company order set, it is set however depending on individual marine roles: 

 

Tactical Marines  (perform normal tactical roles.)

Assault Marines ( close quarter fighters.) 

Heavy support  ( heavy weapon roles.)

Vehicle drivers (uses variety of vehicles.)

Specialist units (Members using special weaponry.) 

Leadership Marines. (potential squad leaders or War Captain 

Veteran Marines (hardened marines who understand every aspect of war.) 

Initiate Marines (specialist roles, snipers, reconnaissance missions.)

 

The amount of numbers doesn't vary depending on the need of the chapter it is the skill of the individual Marine which indicates which sections have high numbers or low numbers. The Chapter only comes to planets in aid of assistance or abandoned planets where the imperium left long ago to defend itself. However will come to the need of any chapter whose homeworld is under attack or is engaged in brutal warfare where the outcome could mean chapter extinction, to ensure these chapters don't suffer the same fate.

 

If any body is interested in helping making the chapter become more realistic then please just write or give ideas fo rimprovements. 

    

[KhorneFlakes]

Interesting idea, might have authority issues within the chapter though?  

[Darman Vallerius]

Well as space Marines who have been saved from being sentenced to certain doom and been given a second chance, old leaders who were of great potential would be put into leadership roles, whether that is leading a specific small group of marines etc etc. or on space hulk missions. With the potential increased amount of leaders means that more operations can take place. 

The chapter goes to war not in normal fashion it goes into battle in segments depending on what that particular area requires so having more leadership marines leading smaller contingents of troops means boosted morale, and higher success rate of the mission success and experience can be passed on etc etc.  

However its a open unit to discuss so if you have ideas on how to adapt the idea then please just post away and well then this chapter can truly come alive 

[Stercus]

Would I be correct in assuming that this chapter would operate in a similar manner to the deathwatch? Without the inquisitorial oversight obviously.

[Knurd]

I like the Deatwatch idea. Otherwise I feel it would be diificult for them to be cohesive units.

 

Maybe have members of new Chapters split up among existing Companies?

 

How is the Chapter going to equip itself? Will it be recognized by AdMech?

[Olis]

Given that there are multiple options for a dying space marine chapter - such as a death or glory run, folding into another chapter, stubbornly refusing to die and instead spending a long time rebuilding, or even having the final members simply join the Deathwatch - what is it that makes the option presented here desirable versus the others? 

 

If you can provide a decent answer to this question, I'd say you're halfway there to having a great 'patchwork' chapter.

[Gorkimedes]

 "such as a death or glory run"

 

Maybe focus on the marines fear of "dying with their work undone"? A dozen marines is not going to make a difference in a large Imperial campaign but gather a few such groups together,  with whatever resources they have left, and you could do some damage. So something like a traveling crusade that throws itself at hopelessly causes, they don't have to worry about chapter survival so they're all in. Sooo a force of space marine dwarf slayers attaching itself to whatever big crusade they hear about? Just an idea.

[Olis]

 "such as a death or glory run"

 

Maybe focus on the marines fear of "dying with their work undone"? A dozen marines is not going to make a difference in a large Imperial campaign but gather a few such groups together,  with whatever resources they have left, and you could do some damage. So something like a traveling crusade that throws itself at hopelessly causes, they don't have to worry about chapter survival so they're all in. Sooo a force of space marine dwarf slayers attaching itself to whatever big crusade they hear about? Just an idea.

 

Mohicans for everyone! :lol:

 

(Nice way of putting it.)

[Darman Vallerius]

To answer everyone's question yes they would operate like deathwatch, it gives the marines in a dying chapter the ability to join other marines to form battle companies and then continue fighting. Although the chapter was brought low this option gives them the chance to continue the missions they were doing before and take the fight to the enemy, all these surviving marines were on the verge of being wiped out however fought as hard as they could to survive. Instead of waiting to regrow this gives the survivors the chance to get straight back into the war against Imperial enemies and gain vengeance.As suggested a few marines wouldn't make a difference however if a dozen or so dying chapters come together it could build itself a new battle company to go to war and join Imperial forces.

 

However unlike with death watch they are not over watched by the Inquisition, and can choose the missions and battles they fight, they are pretty much space marine mercenaries... however fight in the name of the emperor and fight battles to defend struggling planets or chapters to try and regain some glory by protecting other struggling chapters from suffering the same fate as they had suffered. Assassinating leaders of armies, Acting as reinforcements, Defending planets of high importance, Assisting chapters/imperial forces on assaulting worlds etc etc...

 

The squads will be mixed unless it is a personal battle e.g. on planet Zeroin XII a chapter who was pushed to the brink by chaos lord dumdum has been discovered on a planet then that entire remnants of that chapter (if they want to) can form and lead as the vanguard to destroy and gain vengeance by killing the chaos lord while the other teams hold off the enemy and do their own mission objectives.  

 

The chapter will be supplied on their own world in the manufactoriums, which have been given tech marines and servitors and a few chaplains to bless the munitions and armours by the Imperium. The Chapter base of operations is on the planet Yerous II the planet is classed as a death world however the chapter operates under ground protected from any sky assaults.

 

Training is done on multiple surrounding planets which have varied environments: ice planet, lava planet, and a dead world which was a hive world wrecked by an tyranid assault. Training is provided by elected veterans who are specialised in the particular section will train those best suited to the roles. e.g. a Veteran in using heavy weapons will teach selected marines advanced training in using selected heavy weapons or even converted heavy weapons. Each marine when sent of to any battlefield will be better trained, disciplined and able to use own initiative instead of following the codex rules of engagement.   

 

The Chapter joins battles they feel are important or necessary to defend or attack. However it will be heavily discussed on what tactics, equipment, men and munitions will be used as all are extremely valuable and any large amount of loss is a significant blow to the chapter.  

 

 

I think this does answer everyone's questions, if I have missed anyone out please say or if there are any more questions or ideas then please just say   

[pinball]

I like this idea it could be a great chapter, I would see new chapters adding their grudge, whatever brought the chapter down, to some wall within their new fortress monastery and the

Chapters primary mission to settle them, even if the originators are dead. That way joining this chapter guarantees Vengeance will be taken even if they are no longer around to see it themselves.

 

there would also likely be a high number of vehicles and equipment that would be transfered from joining chapters own armouries so it could be a pretty heavily armed force

[Olis]

I like this idea it could be a great chapter, I would see new chapters adding their grudge, whatever brought the chapter down, to some wall within their new fortress monastery and the

Chapters primary mission to settle them, even if the originators are dead. That way joining this chapter guarantees Vengeance will be taken even if they are no longer around to see it themselves.

 

there would also likely be a high number of vehicles and equipment that would be transfered from joining chapters own armouries so it could be a pretty heavily armed force

 

I immediately thought of the Book of Grudges when I read this. I think I have Dwarves on the brain.

[Stercus]

The idea of a commemorative wall of vengeance is really good.

[Conn Eremon]

Been getting rather fed up with the board’s quote system of late, which kind of prevents me from providing input the way I’d prefer. So I’m going to drop it and do the ‘red font in the middle of someone else’s work’ route.

When writing my lore for my own chapter, I have thought multiple times of creating a chapter, that is not of one particular chapter but multiple, such as when a chapter suffers horrendous losses to the point only a dozen live or about a 100 battle-brothers live, that when the imperium needs these soldiers instead of eradicating them they are directed to join this chapter.

Can you think of a reason why the Imperium would choose this method instead of allowing the Chapter to rebuild itself, and if they do choose this style of method, then why wouldn’t they utilize the already existing Deathwatch forces? These are the two biggest questions this idea will have to address, and you will have an uphill battle trying to explain them. But, if you do come to suitable answers, the idea will be very workable.

Each new Chapter that joins only has it's insignia shown on the left shoulder pad, which has flames over it, the right shoulder pad has a broken eagle as the new chapter insignia. There is only one flag that now is raised one that has the name of every broken chapter that joins it's ranks. Initiates are no longer as expendable and are used as specialist squads and are given access to more weaponry and options.

What initiates? If the Chapter is composed of the last of dying breeds, then scouts or initiates are likely already gone. If they’re still around, or they retain the ability to continue recruiting, then you’ll need to answer sufficiently why they don’t just rebuild? These are heavily indoctrinated people, who value the identity of their Chapter more than anything else but the Emperor himself. Why would they choose to abandon it?

All new chapters will answer regardless of original rank, to the High Master who runs the chapter, when joining the chapter, no matter what rank, it will be stripped and will be assorted into different roles depend on set skills not on past actions or rank. Every marine will be issued a bolter and bolt pistol, other weaponry will be issued when needed. When going to war an elected leader will act as captain and will lead the selected squads for the assault.

Remember that these are Space Marines, not Imperial Guard. Rank more or less equals skill. A Space Marine does not become a Captain because he is of good noble stock or because he has wealthy backing. He has that rank because he earned it. Nobody’s equal, and you’ll always have those who surpass others of equivalent rank, but aside from rare exceptions, if a Marine has a rank it’s because he deserves that rank. All the more so if it’s a Chapter Master. These are the thousand greatest Space Marine Commanders living, out of a million of the Imperium’s greatest warriors.

There is no particular battle company order set, it is set however depending on individual marine roles:

Tactical Marines (perform normal tactical roles.)

Assault Marines ( close quarter fighters.)

Heavy support ( heavy weapon roles.)

Vehicle drivers (uses variety of vehicles.)

Specialist units (Members using special weaponry.)

Leadership Marines. (potential squad leaders or War Captain

Veteran Marines (hardened marines who understand every aspect of war.)

Initiate Marines (specialist roles, snipers, reconnaissance missions.)

The amount of numbers doesn't vary depending on the need of the chapter it is the skill of the individual Marine which indicates which sections have high numbers or low numbers.

I would suggest switching that around, and have it vary on the need of the Chapter. Tactical Marines are the most common type of Space Marine, representing possibly half or more of the basic Company men for each Chapter. These Tactical Marines have all been extensively trained in the majority of the roles you listed. It would possibly seem foolish to say that this Chapter could find itself at a disadvantage in the midst of battle because they refuse to allow Marines of one role to utilize their skills in a different, but needed role.

Especially because this Chapter probably doesn’t have that many numbers to begin with. If it’s sole intake are those last survivors of other Chapters, then not only does it have to deal with how incredibly rare it is for a Chapter to drop to that level, but also have that number trickle down further for those that do go the Deathwatch route, or are granted the rights to rebuild.

To be perfectly honest, I feel like a Chapter that is made up of the survivors of other doomed Chapters is going to exist in a state of perpetual near-extinction, and likely will cross that line multiple times in its history, being reformed only because (and only if) it’s determined to be a suitable placement for recently expiring Chapter survivors. By seeking to escape a certain fate, these Marines are permanently stranding themselves in it.

Which, again to be frank, is actually why I kind of like the idea. That’s pretty dang grim dark.

The Chapter only comes to planets in aid of assistance or abandoned planets where the imperium left long ago to defend itself. However will come to the need of any chapter whose homeworld is under attack or is engaged in brutal warfare where the outcome could mean chapter extinction, to ensure these chapters don't suffer the same fate.

I would swap ‘only’ with ‘often.’ If this Chapter solely exists in the 40k’s end of days, the final quarter millennium of the setting, then restricting themselves to such actions might make more sense. A lot more Chapters are under threat of extinction by that point. But, looking across the whole history of the Imperium, it probably didn’t happen enough to keep this Chapter busy. And no Space Marine would be willing to just sit around and wait. Allow them to participate in the constant, ongoing wars to give them something to do.

To add to this focus, you can include that it is not just defending these worlds during their moment of near-extinction, but also being included in the act of rebuilding and garrisoning.

If any body is interested in helping making the chapter become more realistic then please just write or give ideas fo rimprovements.

This idea has a lot of ‘why’s and ‘what for’s to answer, and I don’t see them being easy either. But if you do get it there, I’ll happily provide a certain Chapter of mine that I rather discarded and just gathers dust in a far corner of my computer’s files.

The Encyclopaedia Gravis gets my vote, as a High Gothic “Book of Grudges” variant.