Morik Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm curious, where there any lodges in the space wolves legion? i don't seem to recall any mention of them, if not, why do you guys think they didn't spring up in the legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Because we were never heretics. Elaboration: Lodges were used as gateway drugs to the influence of Chaos. I have not read all the HH books (I would if I had all the money in the world) but I don't think we were ever targeted to turn to Horus' treason. There may be a couple of reasons for this. Personality and physical traits. We don't really like chaos. We can smell it and it's a sickly smell. I don't know if other marines can smell it but we can. And I don't know if that would even stop us from turning. But I wouldn't join a group of people if they smelled like farts. Not good allies. Others can tell me if I am wrong, but physically the Wulfen helps us against chaos. And the Gate of Morkai is pretty intense. Okay maybe elaborated too much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 i didn't realize that Lodges only appeared in traitor legions, i just thought that SW are so honest with each other that there is no need for them to speak privately without rank, as they always do this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 i didn't realize that Lodges only appeared in traitor legions, i just thought that SW are so honest with each other that there is no need for them to speak privately without rank, as they always do this. They dont only appear in traitor legions as both the Raven Guard and White Scars had lodges in them. The White Scars lodges appear in Scars, while the majority of the RG lodges are wiped out at the Battle for Gate 42*, the rest fade or are sent away. the Wolves have no need for a Warriors Lodge, as they are essentially a Legion Warrior Lodge. *Battle of Gate 42 was an attack ordered by the Warmaster Horus to be carried out by Corax. Corax disputed the orders, and stated he could break the gate using his methods and risking far less Marines. Perturabo calls him a coward, Russ talks Corax from throwing down right there, and convinces Corax to carry out the Warmaster's command. Corax places the elements of his command most under Horus sway (as Horus essentially ran the Raven Guard until Corax arrived, and was greatly loved) in the first waves of the attack, where the massive RG losses are largely absorbed by the Horus friendly elements. Corax fights there as well, as he refused to not do something his legion would. After the battle and victory, Corax swore to never fight under the Warmaster again. Corax also sent questionable elements of his Legion out in predator nomad fleets into various regions of space and never calls on them again. This meant the RG were pretty much purged of any pro-Horus element, and fanatically loyal to their Primarch. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 damm, Corax seem really cold towards his legion, what book is the battle for gate 42 in? the dark angels inner circle seems like a lodge, just saying, i really dislike the lodges, why you ask? i cant say :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 They dont only appear in traitor legions as both the Raven Guard and White Scars had lodges in them. The White Scars lodges appear in Scars, while the majority of the RG lodges are wiped out at the Battle for Gate 42*, the rest fade or are sent away. the Wolves have no need for a Warriors Lodge, as they are essentially a Legion Warrior Lodge. *Battle of Gate 42 was an attack ordered by the Warmaster Horus to be carried out by Corax. Corax disputed the orders, and stated he could break the gate using his methods and risking far less Marines. Perturabo calls him a coward, Russ talks Corax from throwing down right there, and convinces Corax to carry out the Warmaster's command. Corax places the elements of his command most under Horus sway (as Horus essentially ran the Raven Guard until Corax arrived, and was greatly loved) in the first waves of the attack, where the massive RG losses are largely absorbed by the Horus friendly elements. Corax fights there as well, as he refused to not do something his legion would. After the battle and victory, Corax swore to never fight under the Warmaster again. Corax then sent the last remaining questionable elements of his Legion out in predator nomad fleets into various regions of space and never calls on them again. This meant the RG were pretty much purged of any pro-Horus element, and fanatically loyal to their Primarch. WLK Is that lodges? I only recall it saying that it was primarily Terrans deployed for gate 42. Also, weren't the predator fleets sent out pretty much as soon as Corax took over, as a way of side-ling the old Legion's high command? damm, Corax seem really cold towards his legion, what book is the battle for gate 42 in? It's in Extermination. Personally I feel the 'Gate 42 purged the Traitors in the RG' idea as doing a disservice to the Terran RG. Firstly, it is stated that although Corax didn't like the plan, it was the remaining Terran commanders of the Legion that were most enthused with the Warmaster's plan, so it makes sense they're assigned/volunteer for the mission. So I don't really feel it was a cold, calculated act on Corax's part (unlike how he dealt with the rest of the XIX high command when he first took over). Secondly, yes the Terran veterans did think very highly of Horus, given their previous service with the Luna Wolves. But it does not automatically follow that they would join him in treachery as a result. If that was true, thousands of Horus' own Legion wouldn't have remained loyal to Terra (despite the endemic cult of personality Horus had in the XVI), and at least on less Legion would have needed purging on Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 @Leif Bearclaw: You are correct about the fleets, I should have said "also" instead of "then". I'll correct that in my initial post Extermination does have this to say about Gate 42 and its impact in the RG: “One last consequence of the Battle of Gate Forty-Two lingers still. In its aftermath, those line officers who, before the coming of the Primarch, had served for so long under Horus’ command were gone, and so the Warmaster was able to exert little in the way of influence over the Raven Lord’s Legion. Many of these Terrans had been inducted into the warrior lodges, and with their deaths these unseen bodies all but vanished from the Raven Guard. It has been claimed by his detractors that in assigning the Terran-born Legionaries to the assault wave that would suffer the greatest losses, Corax did his Legion a service, consolidating his power and paving the way for a future more in line with his own vision. As a result, the Legion was largely spared the wave of insurrection that was transmitted through many of the Legions by the hidden auspices of the lodges.” Extermination page 135 WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3929134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 My ideas: Leman Russ was AFAIK the 2nd Primarch to be found; hence not much influence from Horus and his agents within the Terrans. Secondly; I feel that the hierarchy in the wolves is a lot less rigid, therefore there is not as much need for a such an extra-hierarchical structure. Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. Finally being the operative word there, come on Forge World, give the VI some love! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. Finally being the operative word there, come on Forge World, give the VI some love! *throws down the gauntlet at FW's feet* It's because FW knows that if they worked on the Wolves there's no way they could keep up with the demand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morik Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. any one know when its coming out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. any one know when its coming out? Earliest is probably Easter next year, as they're apparently spreading Calth over two books (or the 2nd might be BA/DA, there's many different rumours out there), which takes up all of this year's likely releases, but we should be next after that. But at this point, I can't shake the feeling (pessimistic as I am) that FW will never get to Prospero (or maybe right before Terra, in about 2030), as they've procrastinated this long and are taking the narrative further into the Heresy, whereas to my mind they should've finished the opening moves of the conflict before moving on to the bush wars of Conquest. But what do I know? I'm just a bitter, jaded fan that's getting sick of waiting for my dude's turn in the spotlight . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hopefully we will know more when the VI legion is (finally) covered in the HH series. any one know when its coming out? No, and not for lack of asking. Best Forge World has said is "not for a while yet." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisWolf Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My only hope from this is that maybe FW is taking them seriously and won't just rush out some crappy narrative. They know SW are a popular army. Keep it quality and I'll wait another year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Is it sad that I am just as excited for Sisters of Silence as I am for our specific space wolf stuff from prospero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Is it sad that I am just as excited for Sisters of Silence as I am for our specific space wolf stuff from prospero. No man that's not sad at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3931689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I asked at UK:GD 2 years ago and was told they were just about to start working on the models by Paul Rugde. When I went to the HH weekender last year Alan Bligh said that they were at least 18 months off due to the difficulty writing rules for the SoS and Custodians. Ill ask next weekend at this years Weekender Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3934305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'm dreading the book, awesome models for my two favourite legions? A pre heresy version of Ahirman and a non Dread Bjorn? Finally a Wolf priest that isn't Ulric or limited edition? A Space wolf kit that isn't 75% unhelmed heads saying "Kill me quick" and in fact has helmets bearing runes?Fortunately for my wallet, this will never happened due to the hatred GW and FW have for the Thousand sons, and so much monies shall be saved :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302451-lodges/#findComment-3934385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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