spu00sed Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I still don't like it. The arms are too stubby for my liking. They need more articulation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder if you can give it Contemptor arms... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 You know, I thought the Deredeo was ugly at first... Now I find it oddly appealing. Nice to see it painted in UM colors as well, considering that's my next army. I wonder if we'll get a variant mounting twin Kheres assault cannons (or a beefed-up version thereof). That would essentially make the Contemptor-Mortis redundant and also free up an Elites slot. Now I must badger FW for that lovely UM blue recipe... I've been thinking along similar lines, but with each arm mounting a twin-kheres, with the supporting rail which holds the muzzle running down between the two sets of barrels, so the firing position for the 2 cannons are down the center of the gun. Depending on how the image designs for the Deredeo are done in whichever HH book they feature, I might even be able to mock one up Then again, a twin-linked Kheres would look pretty awesome in place of the missile launcher Edit: also, has anyone else noticed the background to the Deredeo's banner on the FW site? Pretty certain that must be artwork that'll feature in Tempest (which is currently slated to be released around Easter, although that may be updated at the Weekender) http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/HomeRotatingBanners/deredeo-bnr-sm.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Now I must badger FW for that lovely UM blue recipe... Let me know what the reply is Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder if you can give it Contemptor arms... I'm wondering the opposite, if I can get those badass autocannons onto a Contemptor dreadnought chassis that doesn't look like the bloody SS Minnow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder if you can give it Contemptor arms... I'm wondering the opposite, if I can get those badass autocannons onto a Contemptor dreadnought chassis that doesn't look like the bloody SS Minnow. You take that back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The scale of the dreads are pretty much similar but the joints arent so some work would be needed to make it work but it can be done and I dont think it would be too hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder if you can give it Contemptor arms... I'm wondering the opposite, if I can get those badass autocannons onto a Contemptor dreadnought chassis that doesn't look like the bloody SS Minnow. I'm surprised it doesn't float your boat. Actually I quite like how angular and sturdy the body looks. Two prototypes are definitely being dispatched to IInd legion forces for field testing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I dig the respect FW gives the Heresy by modernizing RT-era stuff, but this one ain't really for me. I'll look forward to seeing y'all paint one, though. Because I know somebody here is going to get weak and buy it. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Already in my Shopping cart. STILL WAITING FOR POLUX! CMON FORGEWORLD! I want to hit checkout on this ludicrously expensive forgeworld order already! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I dig the respect FW gives the Heresy by modernizing RT-era stuff, but this one ain't really for me. I'll look forward to seeing y'all paint one, though. Because I know somebody here is going to get weak and buy it. i consider him for my Salamanders instead of the contemptor-mortis i had planned Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Also, this plus my 2 Contemptor-Mortis' (Lascannon and Autocannon) I will have a LOT of 48" Anti-Air. Man, I'm really starting to feel bad for our Night Lords player who is using a lot of flyers. I look forward to potentially shooting down his Thunderhawk at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This thing is will be a beast against stuff in the air. Now give us MORE stuff in the air, Forge World! I'll be waiting for Volkite or some kind of laser option that'll make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I like it, although would prefer for the battery to not get knocked out at Weapon Destroyed, and rather that the TL got knocked off by Weapon Destroyed, or that it was a 2x 2 Shot weapons. First read through, I thought it was armed with a pair of them, so 8 shots, but it wasn't to be. Still, it's a decent point saver, as it can fulfil a couple of roles, as light AT and AA (AV12 get hit on 2's with a reroll, a glance on 4's with a reroll - that's around 3 HP of damage a turn (Pens don't really matter that much) before jink - compared to a Kheres, with 12 hits, and 2 Penetrating hits (because Rending) against Legion Flyers, it has a much higher chance of downing them (and bring it, Anvillus Pods). Against very light vehicles - Rhino's etc (but who takes them?), the Battery has an 88% chance of glancing+ hits, which means nearer 4HP of damage, while the Kheres deals 4 glances and 4 pens for 8HP of damage, making it better there, while the Sicaran is maybe 5 hits, and gets a glance on a 4+, which is 2.5 HP of damage. Rending is no benefit because AP4 - the Deredeo is better against that. The Sicaran is better against two kinds of Targets - Flare Shielded Spartans (although requires 6 and a 3+ to glance, so less than 1HP damage on average), and Jinkers (Jinkees? Mystery Machine in space), who have their 4+ ignored. AV13 walls need a 6+ to glance by the Kheres, so around 2HP, while the Deredeo needs a 5+ with a reroll to glance - 55% chance, and with 4 shots, and likely hits, that's around 2 HP of damage so similar damage. However, is you take the Aiolos (awesome name; bastardised version of Aeolos, ruler of the winds), it deals 3 shots against AV11, which with a 5+ needed to glance, is a decent chance of another HP of damage if all shots hit (which with BS5, should). Of course, both the Kheres and the Sicaran can cause more damage to infantry with more shots and the odd Rending AP2 shot (although of course, the Aiolos is AP3, and can independent target, and wounding on 2's means that's possibly another 3 MEQ's dead, on top of the 1 from the Autocannons - a Kheres causes about 5, while the Sicaran causes likely 3 wounds - making it better than the Sicaran. Of course, though the Sicaran is just shy of half the cost of an Aiolos upgraded Deredeo, and 2 of them, clocking in a 270 are probably better than it. Also, this plus my 2 Contemptor-Mortis' (Lascannon and Autocannon) I will have a LOT of 48" Anti-Air. Man, I'm really starting to feel bad for our Night Lords player who is using a lot of flyers. I look forward to potentially shooting down his Thunderhawk at some point. Being fair, Aircraft heavy is kinda broken, (albeit limited by the monetary cost of things like Fire Raptors or Primaris Lightnings Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The Kheres is 24", so Eddy has a much larger threat radius. Think that counts for a fair bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Also, Dreadnought lists just got a LOT easier to make and are downright nasty in a list with Ferrus Manus in it (IWND and Repairs galore): Ex: LoW:Ferrus HQ: Forge Lord Forge Lord Forge Lord Elites: Techmarine Detachement - 3 Techmarines Contemptor Talon - 3 Contemptors Contemptor Talon - 3 Contemptors Contemptor Talon - 3 Contemptors Troops: Legion Tactical Squad - 10 marines Legion Tactical Squad - 10 marines Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought Deredeo Dreadnought Deredeo Dreadnought Not meant to be competitive but hey, it makes for a fun list :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This thing is will be a beast against stuff in the air. Now give us MORE stuff in the air, Forge World! I'll be waiting for Volkite or some kind of laser option that'll make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Well, FW has 2 new Legion flyers on the horizon (we'll probably see them at the HH Weekender?) - rumours are that one is a fighter-style vehicle (hopefully, they'll do for the Storm Talon what they did with the Storm Eagle for its Storm Raven origin) and the other is the Warkawk class Stormbird as mentioned in Conquest (it's a smaller variant compared to the larger Condor class). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Stormbird?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Stormbird?! Yessir! Or, at least, its what we hope it'll be! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Wow. This thing looks infinitely better with paint on it. Not that I disliked it without paint, I'm just that sold now :D Really looking forward to seeing what other goodies this chassis can take. My one issue is that the arms look like they could be difficult to magnetize, depending on where those hoppers fix to. Pretty surprised that this one can take Armored Ceramite. Its the only dread to do so. Also, its main gun having Sunder is pretty great and WILL make flyers cry. wat. Well, the entry gets glossed over for 30k a lot I guess, but the regular box-dreads could take ceramite in the LACAL list already. Just not the Contemptors. Also, almost all-Dreadnought armies are nearly a reality. Furibundus just needs to come out as a Fast Attack and we're set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Wow. This thing looks infinitely better with paint on it. Not that I disliked it without paint, I'm just that sold now Really looking forward to seeing what other goodies this chassis can take. My one issue is that the arms look like they could be difficult to magnetize, depending on where those hoppers fix to. Pretty surprised that this one can take Armored Ceramite. Its the only dread to do so. Also, its main gun having Sunder is pretty great and WILL make flyers cry. wat. Well, the entry gets glossed over for 30k a lot I guess, but the regular box-dreads could take ceramite in the LACAL list already. Just not the Contemptors. Also, almost all-Dreadnought armies are nearly a reality. Furibundus just needs to come out as a Fast Attack and we're set. Shows how much attention I pay to box dreads when we have Contemptors >_> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparika Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The train on the background is from a table show at a previous event with ultramarines fighting word bearers. http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/52/cb/11/52cb11261d4982da3d4c822149ac99f5.jpg http://fr.pinterest.com/pin/304767099758944376/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I thought FW did a tongue in cheek joke when they said the name of the Aiolos missile launcher. Because of all the dreadnought with boobs jokes I read it as the Areola missile launcher :P haha Anywho...I can't wait to see a laser destroyer arm set on this bad boy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 TL Graviton Cannons?! Please be a possibility... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The train on the background is from a table show at a previous event with ultramarines fighting word bearers. http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/52/cb/11/52cb11261d4982da3d4c822149ac99f5.jpg http://fr.pinterest.com/pin/304767099758944376/ That's awesome. Damn Forgeworld with thier awesomeness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302460-deredeo-pattern-dreadnought-fw-release-23-1-15/page/3/#findComment-3929777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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