marvmoogy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 As the title, really... I have heard on the B&C that us Space Wolves are a little apprehensive about Contemptors. I know we don't particularly like being all locked up in a ceramite sarcophagus, but why do we dislike Contemptors more than the normal ones? Can anyone point me in the direction of some fluff on this? TIA! Marv Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Imperial Armour Apocalypse 2013. […] their Contemptors developed a reputation for battlefield excess and unwarranted savagery that stained the sagas of those interned within their armoured forms. This infamy, in some regards, has become a kind of self-fulfilling prophesy as the superstition-shrouded Iron Priests of the Chapter began to inter only those fallen warriors of great renown who themselves had already forged sagas darker than most in pursuit of the foe. They probably thought there should be some explanation for the oldest and most renowned Space Wolves Dreadnought, a veteran of the Great Crusade, being a Mark V. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Thanks! Appreciate the reference and the quote! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There isn't really anyhting I'm aware of apart from the FW statement that Contemptor Chassis were looked upon with apprehension and dread by the Wolves, which dictated the sort of Marine put into the Dreads, thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. But to put my tinfoil hat on for a moment, FW/GW seem to have something against Wolves and having awesome dreadnoughts, despite the precedent in the fluff for it. We're the only Imperial Marine force without a unique variant (although not 100%, as C:SM also get the Mortis variants), and blizzard shields, being equipment for the Venerable, don't count imo. Of course I'm probably just bitter that we were snubbed again today, as we don't get the new Daredo pattern, but the SMs, BAs and DAs do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Considering we used to have Venerable dreads as Hq's, and our fluff is mentions the huge amounts of dreads we have, it would be nice to do that, maybe even HQ contemptor variant or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabbala Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There actually is a Space Wolves Contemptor variant, in the same IA book with all the variants' rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There actually is a Space Wolves Contemptor variant, in the same IA book with all the variants' rules. Yes, but if it's all added up, we get Regular, Venerable and Wolf Contemptor, BAs get Regular, Furioso, Death Company, Librarian, BA Contemptor and Daredo, DAs get Regular, Venerable, Mortis, Contemptor, Contemptor Mortis and Daredo, SMs get Regular, Venerable, Ironclad, Contemptor, Mortis, Contemptor Mortis and Daredo. I'm sorry, but a couple of special character dreads don't make up for that discrepancy in my book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3929970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerw Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think at the least you need to consider the axe and shield dread different enough from most to be a "variant" and I might argue for murderclaw or Bjorn or wolfclaw dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I admit Shield and axe is cool, just wish the axe looked a bit less cartoony. Venrabel dreads do seem better in our codex though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabbala Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 There actually is a Space Wolves Contemptor variant, in the same IA book with all the variants' rules. Yes, but if it's all added up, we get Regular, Venerable and Wolf Contemptor, BAs get Regular, Furioso, Death Company, Librarian, BA Contemptor and Daredo, DAs get Regular, Venerable, Mortis, Contemptor, Contemptor Mortis and Daredo, SMs get Regular, Venerable, Ironclad, Contemptor, Mortis, Contemptor Mortis and Daredo. I'm sorry, but a couple of special character dreads don't make up for that discrepancy in my book. Granted and I agree, I was merely addressing the comment above me that wasn't aware of the IA variants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 But we can take contemptors right? I do like the look of that model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yes, we are allowed Contemptors out of one of the IA Apoc 2 Ed bbok. The Wolf entry one, not the stock one. Some limitations on it. We are also allowed Siege Dreads to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarladgr Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Whilst I feel like we got snubbed today on the Deredo (an would love to know the reason) I think that once HH:inferno drops ( in about a year) we will also get a follow up IA that will update the Wolf contemptor, hopefully Bran as well as 40k rules for all our new vehicles and units (and possibly a 13th company list, if forge world is smart as it would sell like hot cakes). To me it makes the most business sense. IMHO the VIth will get mad love from FW in about a year, so whilst we are jealous now of our cousins from other legions/chapters I think in a year it will be totally reversed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hope you're right Jarladgr. I'm trying to save up for all the money FW is going to twist my rubber arm into spending when our HH stuff drops. Our Primarch, several new models, some other stuff I'm putting off getting so my order will be big enough... . My wallet is already cringing & it's still a ways out! LOL!!!! Yeah, the Deredo thing sucks but they're experimental rules right now so who knows what the final rules will be? But I'm not going to hold my breath. Anything with Dreads & anti air FW seems to think us Wolves are to good for. I'm actually kinda of amazed that let us have the Land Speeder Tempest with its Flakk missiles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I spoke to FW about Dark Angels and Space Wolves (the dude on the phone was just really interested in my projects and wanted to know my plans...) anyway, he said that the Space Wolves and Dark Angels stuff won't be anytime soon... From the way he was talking, I won't be surprised if we're looking at 2016/17 before we get a decent mention Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302488-why-dont-we-like-contemptor-pattern-dreads/#findComment-3930391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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