Gman Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just getting back in the game after a long leave of absence, towards the end of 6th ed. At that time, I had just started a SW army, so I decided to run with them, having the newest codex out of all my armies. I had intended to build an army around Logan, with some WG and plenty of GH. I'm messing around with list options based on the models I already have, and noticed something. Is Logan no longer considered an HQ choice when it comes to fulfilling a detachment, such as CAD? I know he is a Lord of War, and I can make him my warlord for the list, but if I take him, do I still need to take an actual HQ choice? If this is now the fact, is he still worth taking? Especially since they got rid of all his "for each turn choose which special rule he has" rule. I loved that rule! At what point break is he worth taking, if you still have to take another HQ? Which would be best to run with him, just a cheap and dirty Wolf Lord? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 This is correct. You will need to take an HQ. I have not taken him yet in 7th edition. Losing his special rule is a big loss. But field him if you want. If I took him and needed another HQ I would probably take a Rune Priest or Wolf Priest. They are good support HQs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3930106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yea loosing that special rule really takes away from him, and honestly, I'm not 100% certain he is worth the points. I'd have to see him in a couple of games and see how he does in combat, to determine for sure. Really sad, I liked him as a model and his fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3930190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 dude can crunch some infantry on his chariot, and is tough to kill... and is Logan GRIMNAR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3930203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 the chariot is almost mandatory if you arent taking terminators for a body guard , Personally Ive fielded him both on the Chariot and off it , and on the chariot hes too expensive , and off it hes not fast enough , I would say you could probably skip him and take a wolf lord whos fairly choppy on a thunder wolf or a wolf lord thats fairly choppy in terminator armor and get similar results without the massive points investment , logan costs almost as much as an imperial knight on his sled , and dose not deliver imperial knight style beat downs ,he might get hotfixed with a points drop maybe to 250 on the chariot but until then hes a little too pricy fer what he gives you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3930214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yea I have him regular, the previous model with no sled. And I have a unit of termis that used to join him. I'll keep them for my army, but I can't justify taking him in less than 1850, not when I still have to take an HQ choice. Too bad really. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3930445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 logan is a monster against infantry. you can choose to take the hits against the chariot or logan. so a lot of over watch is useless as you take it against the chariot and it can literally not hurt him. with the thunders wolves and hammer of wrath he can really dish out the attacks as well. he is most vulnerable out of CC. But he is really a beast if used well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3931086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I think its important to state that he is quite vulnerable in certain CC situations as well, where a nob with a claw would have you worried Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3931234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I put him with TH/SS TDAWG and Arjac in a Land Raider. I have run him in his sled a couple of times, to a lack luster result. I prefer him on foot for pure ascetics. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3931265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdudey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've noticed this error a few times in the forum, and I hate to be a grammar nazi, but: ascetics: people who forego worldy pleasures for mainly spiritual reasons aesthetics: an artistically pleasing or beautiful appearance. I could however have misunderstood you, and Logan leaving his sled behind is his way of shunning material things Asceticism doesn't seem very Wolfy to me??? More mjod anyone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3931839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 sure a power claw is a bit of a threat. but you would take that against him and go for the 2+ armour save. so it is no more of a threat than any other wound that gets though. There is not a lot in the game a power fist can not threaten so you just have to take that risk as would any model that went against that unit. He is no more vulnerable than any other model really. Thats just the nature of the game. I think his biggest weakness is before he gets into CC, where he can be shot up. people tend to be afraid of him and want to hit him with their big sticks before he can start chewing people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3931851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 sure a power claw is a bit of a threat. but you would take that against him and go for the 2+ armour save. so it is no more of a threat than any other wound that gets though. There is not a lot in the game a power fist can not threaten so you just have to take that risk as would any model that went against that unit. He is no more vulnerable than any other model really. Thats just the nature of the game. I think his biggest weakness is before he gets into CC, where he can be shot up. people tend to be afraid of him and want to hit him with their big sticks before he can start chewing people. The reason cc is more risky is your opponent chooses which is hit in cc (Logan or chariot). Where as in shooting you get to choose. So there is more risk from the claw as your opponent can put it in the sled, you don't get to choose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz of the North Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If playing for fluff bring him, otherwise do not, he is overcosted for what he does and losing any force multipliers he really maybe the worst LOW there is in the new codices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've noticed this error a few times in the forum, and I hate to be a grammar nazi, but: ascetics: people who forego worldy pleasures for mainly spiritual reasons aesthetics: an artistically pleasing or beautiful appearance. I could however have misunderstood you, and Logan leaving his sled behind is his way of shunning material things Asceticism doesn't seem very Wolfy to me??? More mjod anyone? HAHA!! I did mean Aesthetics. And if you don't think a land raider full of nasty terminators banging down your door is beautiful... ;) End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 sure a power claw is a bit of a threat. but you would take that against him and go for the 2+ armour save. so it is no more of a threat than any other wound that gets though. There is not a lot in the game a power fist can not threaten so you just have to take that risk as would any model that went against that unit. He is no more vulnerable than any other model really. Thats just the nature of the game. I think his biggest weakness is before he gets into CC, where he can be shot up. people tend to be afraid of him and want to hit him with their big sticks before he can start chewing people. The reason cc is more risky is your opponent chooses which is hit in cc (Logan or chariot). Where as in shooting you get to choose. So there is more risk from the claw as your opponent can put it in the sled, you don't get to choose. This was my point, a Claw or two can quickly find 5-6 glances on the chariot that a 4++ save may not be able to help with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastHuzzah Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've not used him on the chariot myself but IF you get the chariot into cc (not unreasonable for a second turn charge) without any hull points gone those same power claws are just as likely to murder Logan as they are to murder his chariot. Unless the chariot is auto hit by cc (no rulebook in front of me) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've not used him on the chariot myself but IF you get the chariot into cc (not unreasonable for a second turn charge) without any hull points gone those same power claws are just as likely to murder Logan as they are to murder his chariot. Unless the chariot is auto hit by cc (no rulebook in front of me) Fair enough, but what about Haywire grenades, mauls, or any HS High AP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 @ Catsmasher indeed but there appeared to be some rules confusion from spaz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I do understand what your saying, But what model is safe from power claws and hay wires. Those are both things that all amour has to look out for. Logan is no exception to that. most units can have something like a Claw / hammer / fist that is going to threaten anything that comes against it. That's just the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302497-is-logan-not-considered-an-hq-for-detachments/#findComment-3932465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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