gmaleron Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hello guys as I'm sitting here brainstorming what to collect for Horus Heresy a thought hit me. When it comes to collecting your army do you guys prefer to have smaller points and multiple Legions? Or do you feel it would be better to put all your points into one Legion and expand upon it to run what you want? Im in somewhat of a collecting dilemma as I'm trying to decide between Imperial Fists and Salamanders and can't decide if I want to focus on one Legion or run 2 smaller armies one out of each Legion. Let me know what you guys think and why you feel one or the other is better, thanks for posting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'm in the "one big one" camp. You go big or go home in the Heresy, small lists are really kind of awkward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 30k isn't all that good below 2000. 3000 is where you get a nice force that has some flavor. Â I'm still holding out for either the Detachment system and or the Shatterd Legion rules. Until then I build and paint as I want. Started with World Eaters with Iron Warrior heavy support. Im starting an air mobile BLood Angels assault force. Â I can run these all as World Eaters (just painted different) or ally in as Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I dunno, this is a question that's ultimately up to you. However, one thing worth considering is the nature of your hobby time. Are you going 100% HH, or still keeping other 40k/fantasy/other game systems going at the same time? If you're going only for Heresy stuff, then I'd say doing multiple Legions is more viable, as it's splitting your time/funds less. Â Other than that, if you've got the 'bug' for a couple of Legions, then go for it. Although I would advise focus on one at first, and getting a playable force before dividing your time. Â Personally, I'd go all in for a single Legion (at least until I had copious, copious amounts of it). But that's because I'm a Son of Russ to my core, and every time I've considered doing another Legion (primarily SoH and IW), that little voice pipes up saying 'what are you doing? these aren't Wolves, get with the program'. So I've ended up starting 30k Wolves while waiting for Inferno, just very slowly thanks to other draws of my time and the amount of conversion work I want to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 2.5k should be the very bare minimum you shoot for. I started by looking at 2k. Now I've got somewhere in the region of 5k 9 months later. Go big or go home in 30k my friend, your wallet (and significant other) will hate you but the inner geek will purr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 30k isn't all that good below 2000. 3000 is where you get a nice force that has some flavor. I'm still holding out for either the Detachment system and or the Shatterd Legion rules. Until then I build and paint as I want. Started with World Eaters with Iron Warrior heavy support. Im starting an air mobile BLood Angels assault force. I can run these all as World Eaters (just painted different) or ally in as Blood Angels. that's the problem ... every time i want to write an army list for my legions, i'm ending with ~3k+ points ... so i need to do them slowly, but at the end of the day, i'll have some awesome ~3-4k point HH armies 2.5k should be the very bare minimum you shoot for. I started by looking at 2k. Now I've got somewhere in the region of 5k 9 months later. Go big or go home in 30k my friend, your wallet (and significant other) will hate you but the inner geek will purr same with my DG I started them with ~4k points in mind, and now they are ~7k oO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizur Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have only Word Bearer but at the moment around 12,000 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I only have 1 Legion and only about 3.5k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I prefer to invest in a single legion until they're up to snuff. (Of course, my current building speed is 1 unit per year, but I have to start somewhere) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmaleron Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 To be honest I would prefer to do a single Legion however the Salamanders Pyroclasts models and the Templar models are splitting me evenly down the middle. That is why I am toying with the idea of two 2500 point armies but I'm not sure that's the way I want to go, any thoughts and to help me decide between the two? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 To be honest I would prefer to do a single Legion however the Salamanders Pyroclasts models and the Templar models are splitting me evenly down the middle. That is why I am toying with the idea of two 2500 point armies but I'm not sure that's the way I want to go, any thoughts and to help me decide between the two? or you could do IF's as main army and the Salamanders as an allied force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd rather stick with a single one, part of the attraction of 30k is the larger size of battles in general and I think it's cool to be able to deploy your Legion in different ways etc and have options when doing so Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Personally I don't see anything wrong with taking 2 blocks of 2500pts. On the other hand you're going to have a significant chunk of those blocks invested in essentials like tac squads etc. Comes down to personal preference really. I'm going to start investigating the possibility of some Alpha Legion once I'm satisfied my Night Lords are done or if it takes that long, the Blood Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'm planning on making my Death Guard one large force. The other legions just don't do it for me. Maybe...nope. Nothing else will satisfy other than a huge block of grimy, bare ceramite. Â But that's me. As others have said: do what you want. Â Is it viable? I don't care. I forget that 30k's a game most days. Make it fluffy and it shall be done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Yeah, I've got ~5-6k points in Imperial Fists - More If I count my 40k Marines. And I still haven't added Phalanx Warders, Jetbikes or the new dread to the mix not to mention Dorn/Sigismund/Polux. Â I'd personally got one legion at a time to roughly, as others have stated, 2.5k points so that you have a solid list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdannan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I can see the attraction for collecting multiple Legions, however you can essentially play different play styles with the same Legion anyway. I think my IF's must be close to 3 or 4k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloroutofspace Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 2.5k should be the very bare minimum you shoot for. I started by looking at 2k. Now I've got somewhere in the region of 5k 9 months later. Go big or go home in 30k my friend, your wallet (and significant other) will hate you but the inner geek will purr I agree with that, 2.5k should be the aim. Although I personally dislike Apocalypse-sized games, so above 2.5 - 3k I'd consider starting a new force, but ultimately it's up to you. At around 2.5k it's a good challenge to create a good list, but you can already fill that list with some LoW and legion-specific units. Above 3k it's not so much of a challenge, and also it's difficult to finish a game of that size in one afternoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I have in the neighborhood of 3k of RG planned, with the biggest thing being Corax. Â From what I've seen of HH lists, I'm going to be handicapped by my lack of super-big tanks and such. Â WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't think superheavies are the difference between winning and losing per say, they just require a different mindset and given the obscene weaponry available to a Legion force those hull points soon start whittling down. I saw a glaive die a horrible death after a 10 man Lascannon squad were done with it in 2 rounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmaleron Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I kind of look at super heavies as a fun addition for larger point/apocalypse sized games, for instance if I stick with my Imperial Fists it will be a no brainer that Rogal Dorn and his personal Thunderhawk will be in my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3931879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparika Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm more a hobbyist than a gamer. And I have difficulties choosing a lgeion (because I like most of them). So I'm planning to collect multiple forces that could fight each others and could eventually team-up for bigger battle.  My best inspiration source is some pictures of two tournaments which were at 1000pts.  http://thepaintingbunker.com/2014/04/06/the-emperors-legions-tournament-wash-up/ http://imgur.com/a/Gcd35/all  So it's possible to make 1000pts army list and having fun with them (apparently, I didn't played these). :) The difficulty is planning the right forces to fight each other. At a low point level like that, there is a clear common basis of some tactical marines, but after that you are free to vary. Since there is far less heavy tank and big guns, you probably don't have to build huge squad at first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3932014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If all my stuff was actually assembled and painted... I'd have around 2.5-3k probably. It barely scratches the surface of unit combinations I'd like to field. I can see myself with around 6k all said and done. Â I'd like to add another Legion as allies, probably Alpha Legion, but at the rate i'm going it'll probably never happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3932162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think it really boils down how you divide your time and money when it comes to the modeling/painting hobby.  HH is my only focus in the hobby and as such I have devoted all the resources I allocate to this particular hobby to HH. The FW army list is meant to "go big or go home." A 1500-point army in HH is valid for zone mortalis and not much else. Most armies I have seen are in the 2500-3000 points range, where you really start to get some diversity in units.  Personally, I choose to focus on one army (World Eaters) instead of building multiple ones as once. It allows me to focus my time and money in getting what I want. I have 3500 points worth of World Eaters (more than half are already painted) and that is not even including Khârn and Angron (which I built and painted as display pieces only).  Once my World Eaters are done, I will take inventory of the bitz left over (of which there is quite a lot, including some whole minis), take notes on the skills I have learned (modeling and painting), and plan my next force (which will be Ultramarines). I think this is a good way to go about things - my goal is to model and paint my minis to the very pinnacle of my abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3932487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The end game for me is to have 1 large Force (Imperial Fists) and multiple 500 to 750 pt legions due to the fact that I invested in a Zone Mortalis board. But I will not entertain anything until my Fists are at about 5k+ points. First up after that is my chosen renegade legion the World Eaters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3932517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloroutofspace Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What I meant when I wrote 2.5 - 3k should be the aim, was that this is the most viable point limit for games that I played - above that it becomes a lengthy game that takes almost a whole day to complete. But in total, I always had models that were wort 100% more in points, which means that to be playing 2.5k games, I'd have 5k worth of models - to be able to change and tweak the list from game to game to be more competitive or to have a different experience playing the game. But in my personal opinion, once you have what you think is a 'perfect list' worth a moderate amount of points, you automatically start thinking about another, altogether different force. You should take into account those extra points to have something to choose from, but at one point the urge to play something different will be too strong :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302562-how-many-legions-and-how-many-points/#findComment-3932518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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