Tunderstrike formation - FAQ atlast

[Toasterfree]

here is from the email that i got from them:

I now have a definitive answer for you.

The formation rule supersedes the Drop Pod rule, so they all arrive at the same time. That means from turn 2 onwards.

Hope that helps.

Dan.

Here is from yours:

The formation all arrives together from turn 2 onwards using the rules for Deep Strike. The formation rules supersedes the Drop Pod Assault rule. As such, placing the Wolf Guard Terminators in another Drop Pod would not benefit the formation as they would still need to arrive by Deep Strike from the second turn onwards.

Hope that makes sense,

Dan

Seems the same to me.

[tylerw]

Arriving from the 2nd turn onwards is not listed in the rules/restrictions. Not sure where they get that (other than that being RAI or whatever). The thing I'm bothered by is his assumption/implication that turn 2 is in the formation restrictions (it's not). Also his implication that Podding in the TDA, too, on turn 1, would not deep strike them in.

The first e-mail just appears to ignore the existence of FA drop pods.  Like, I would assume he checked with whoever designed it and got their intention, but I'm not sure why they'd be against it working with a FA pod (as it's not like it's amazing, just possibly playable), and why they seem to think the things they are saying are meaning what they say. Why didn't he just say, "They can't use a drop pod to get the effect. They must deep strike T2 or later to get this effect," rather than some argle-blargle.

[Toasterfree]

me

So in the case of the thunderstrike formation with one pod in the army, since the pod has to come down turn 1, and the rule for the formation says that when you roll for reserves the entire formation would come in, would the formation come in for free since you do not roll for the pod?

 

 him

Ho hum, now you've got me stumped. ;) I'll see if I can find an answer for you :)

 

 

I can send you the string of emails if you would like.

and the formation rules say WHEN you roll for reserves, no IF you roll. So if they pod in for free, with no roll, then they arent the formation. you really are starting to become circular about this

[tylerw]

me

So in the case of the thunderstrike formation with one pod in the army, since the pod has to come down turn 1, and the rule for the formation says that when you roll for reserves the entire formation would come in, would the formation come in for free since you do not roll for the pod?

him

Ho hum, now you've got me stumped. I'll see if I can find an answer for you

I can send you the string of emails if you would like.

and the formation rules say WHEN you roll for reserves, no IF you roll. So if they pod in for free, with no roll, then they arent the formation. you really are starting to become circular about this

"When" implies that you have reserves to roll for still, letting them come in together, not that you have to have them in reserves, and that the formation overrides DPA (Although I'm fine with that part, it seems logical enough with the "comes in together," and "no deep striking from reserves naked" combination of rules.).

I'm probably being overly argumentive, sure, but what the dude actually e-mailed in the OP doesn't really say what he seems to be meaning, and that's where I was getting spun up.

Thanks for your patience and discussion.

[Toasterfree]

i was under the impression that you would have the pod come in turn 1 when i first looked at it, as i did not understand/know that formations went over unit rules. remember the rules tell you what you can, and cannot do. if it is not written that you can do something, then you cant. so in this case WHEN does not imply if you still have reserves to roll for, it tells you WHEN you roll for the unit (and you dont roll on turn 1 if both pod in) they both come in at the same time. the only conflict is with DPA, but the formation tells you that its not going to come in until you roll for them.