Mal Luck Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Apologies if this has been asked/answered before, looked a fair bit back but couldn't find anything related.Can formations from the apocalypse books be taken in standard wh40k games, escalation games or only apocalypse games? 7e BRB has adopted many of the rules from apocalypse (unbound armies, super heavies, normal formations/dataslates etc), but can't seem to find a clear consensus on this one.Opinions? Thoughts? Answers?Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It is generally considered that you should not use Apoc Formations in regular 40k out of good sportsmanship and many cannot fit, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Note page 58 of the Apocalypse rulebook: "Datasheets - Apocalypse gives you the chance to field Apocalypse Formations." So the Formations in the Apocalypse rulebook are "Apocalypse Formations", not regular (40k) Formations. Permission is granted in the Apocalypse rulebook for them to be used in games of Apocalypse, however there is no permission for the use of Apocalypse Formations in regular games of 40k, either in the Apocalypse rulebook or the 40k rulebook. Of course, if your opponent agrees to the use of a certain Apocalypse Formation in a game of regular 40k, then that would be OK (an agreement between both players to, what is effectively, a house rule). But if there is no agreement / house rule, then their use is excluded due to 40k being a permissive rule-set, and there's no written text permitting their use in normal games of 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Just to add, whilst Apocalypse formations are Apocalypse only, superheavies are fine to fulfill your Lord of War choice despite being considered a formation. i.e. A Warhound is fine outside of Apocalypse, a Lucifer Task Force is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Just to add, whilst Apocalypse formations are Apocalypse only, superheavies are fine to fulfill your Lord of War choice despite being considered a formation. i.e. A Warhound is fine outside of Apocalypse, a Lucifer Task Force is not. Super-Heavies and Lords of War are not Formations. The first is a Unit Type, the second a Role. True, some Formations were one unit in size, but that's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Any unit/formation listed in the Apocalypse book is an Apocalypse formation. What I was pointing out was that a single unit (which primarily are superheavies of some sort- e.g., Warhound/Thunderhawk/Phantom) can be used in game of 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Any unit/formation listed in the Apocalypse book is an Apocalypse formation. What I was pointing out was that a single unit (which primarily are superheavies of some sort- e.g., Warhound/Thunderhawk/Phantom) can be used in game of 40k. Of which they were listed in Escalation, a codex, or a FAQ as a Lord of War. This is not a case of taking an Apoc Formation, but a Lord of War at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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