Lord Blackwood Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I was staring at the 8 space wolf dreadnoughts on my bookcase and you know what I was thinking, I was thinking wouldnt an upgraded Bjorn be a great lord of war. 14/14/14 BS6 WS6 S8 I5 6HP 4++ Ward of the Primarch Venerable Can take up to 10 Cyberwolves ( 15 points a piece ) <-battle of the fang+1 to Steal InitiativeSaga of MajestyI dunno , I think it would be cool all his other options would remain the same maybe he gains an attack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I agree 100%. I miss old Logan Grimnar and a super bad ass Bjorn would have been a much cooler LoW Probably rear armor 12 though. Even the bane blade and variants and knights have rear 12. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Luck Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Definitely. But alas, GW missed a good idea there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 That would be awesome and worthy of the character level LoW title. I would absolutely play him with those stats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerw Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Seems like they could have done some contemptor figure or something for that too, while letting people still play the beloved ice box version as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It seems bizarre how some units seem so poorly balanced, especially when its a comprehensive opinion. Bjorn is so poorly done its insulting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's wierd we got blizzard shields but not a reliable save on Bjorn, or that he has the same hullpoints (which is the biggest issue with dreads other then av:12 being almost paper to the lieks of tau and eldar).The last surviving loyalist marine from the age of the emperor and Primarchs, he who has fought Primarchs and lived (in a fasion), and is only woken every thousand years or so should have been a LOTW choice rather then a gift of first blood and slay the warlord to you opponent on a platter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I wish logan wasnt a LoW, I think him on the wolf-pulled-hover-chariot is one of the stupidest things Ive ever seen. I would have much prefered having a badass dreadnought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well, if you recall, many of us anticipated that he would be the LoW option for the Space Wolves, until we started picking up on the trend that the designers were going to have all Chapter Masters (and their Xenos equivalents) be LoW (regardless of actual characteristics and special rules). Definitely agree that a slightly better Bjorn would have been a more appropriate LoW. He's definitely the "only wake up in case of End Times," kind of character/unit in the fluff, and ought to represent that. Ultimately, the designers need to get together and really figure out what they intend for that slot, and how it's supposed to nest into 'standard' games, vice 'Apocalypse' games, and make it much more clear on which armies have access to which choices. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfgar Ironmane Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Aye, i agree. Having made him better (which he really deserves) and into a LoW would just made more sense.I don't mind Logan being a LoW, being the badass he is.. But he just isn't worthy of it now.. Not gonna be using him anymore =/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerw Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Logan on his frisbee should have been the LOW version, giving us the option to "just" HQ him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't understand how a 250pt model comes with no special rules. (I acknowledge there are "some" special rules, but my point stands) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Agreed brothers, Bjorn has always been one of my favourite characters, not just for the wolves but in the whole 40k universe and it pains me to see him so rarely utilised as part of the murder make. I try and field him myself whenever I can and he has never let me down, but I would have loved to have seen such a truly venerable and revered character as he given more presence on the table, his portrayal in the Battle of the Fang novel hits the nail (or thousand son primarch) on the head for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The one time I used him he did steal me the initiative, but then did nothing, and whilst he did save all hits, it was from covers saves not his 5++. How have people been using him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3934373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I agree 100%. I miss old Logan Grimnar and a super bad ass Bjorn would have been a much cooler LoW Probably rear armor 12 though. Even the bane blade and variants and knights have rear 12. What you said! I am really bummed I essentially can't take Logan anymore. For the points, not fufilling HQ slot, and not to mention loss of some cool rules.....he is not so great anymore. I actually wonder how the hell is he a LoW at all. And doesn't the book say that Bjorn is the oldest "living" space wolf? Seems he would fit better as the LoW better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3935175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouj Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The one time I used him he did steal me the initiative, but then did nothing, and whilst he did save all hits, it was from covers saves not his 5++. How have people been using him? I use him quite often with helfrost cannon. Run him forward and let most fire plink off your AV13. He may be a lower initiative than most dreads, but he gets a nice amount of attacks on charge. I mainly get him stuck in and beat face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3935381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan230 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I run Bjorn with 1 - 2 dreadnoughts in my 2k lists and I like how for 500 points (I like the formation) the three of them can cause quite some trouble. I like to run 2 vens with Helfrost, and Bjorn with his Plasma Cannon. Ive never had an issue with him in combat since any monstrous creatures I've faced so far have been softened up enough for him to kill, and they have to go down to I1 to really hurt him. I have always gone with the theory of one's a target, two is a threat in my lists and given the short range nature of my prefered dreadnought weaponry, I run them in the 2nd line and my enemies normally are forced to deal with other units (like my TWolves) first. Sure there are games where it doesn't work in some way, but overall, I have good results. The only thing that truly bugs me is that he doesn't have 4 HP. That just bothers me immensely. At least you can put him in a drop pod now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3935435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Agreed Brothers. For the oldest Wolf who is so lovingly maintained by how many Iron Priests over the millenia(not years...millenia) & not one of them didn't incorporate SOME upgraded systems? Didn't they come up with Wolf Claws, Frost Blades, Blizzard Shields & helfrost tech? Or that he hasn't taken some alien tech/heresy era tech as a trophy? I love Bjorn and almost always include him in any games vs. our robe wearing battle brothers to fight the honour duel( I know I know, it's not really fair but it's fun when I actually use him in the duel). It's sad to see one of the most battle hardened warriors in the universe with such underwhelming rules. LoW? Absolutley. Name me any other character in 40K deserving of the title? Even our LoW Logan treats him with respect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3935458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Fluff wise, I think Valerian nailed it. Someone also said that logan on stormrider should have been the LoW. I'm tempted to agree. Though I see why GW is making the Leader characters LoW, I think that Bjorn should have been made a LoW, and boosted from a normal dread. FA14 SA14 RA12, 4++, and his other goodies would have been worth it, even with a points hike. Maybe a heavier weapon option, Helfrost destructor maybe...? Sorry for the slight necro. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3942537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I had a game with Bjorn where he seized the initiative, but then died to hammer of wrath hits from a carnifex... This is effectively why MCs and Toughness 6 clearly outshine our dred. Sure they cost more, but it can only take on shot from a plas pistol to destroy/immobilize. They should have given him the same rule as Logan's chariot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3942541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I've run Bjorn a couple of times, and he did magnificently. I prefer him in the back with some shooty dreads, but I prefer shooty dreads since they don't do so well with close combat. Even the FGA/BS dread sucks hard in CC. The axe dread should have been given something for extra attacks, or we should have gotten a furioso clone. Point is I try to keep my dreads out of close combat, as it tends to tarpit them, and that's time they're not supporting my infantry by killing my opponent's. Plasma Cannons on all three works pretty well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302716-who-else-would-have-preffered-bjorn-as-a-low/#findComment-3942552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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